I wouldn't be too worried about it depending on where the CarFax reported the 
damage. If it was the rear hatch, it’s possible badging isn’t available 
anymore. Rear wiper can be bodged up by carwashes.

Don’t focus on the little stuff too much, look at it collectively as a part of 
the Big Picture. It’s a car that’s been on the road for 15-16 years. It’s not 
going to be perfect, no matter what. Your scan is probably the most important 
thing to consider initially if a good visual and road test don’t turn up 
anything concerning.

-D



On Jul 19, 2024, at 6:30 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

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Knowing that the Carfax reported minor damage, does anyone get nervous when 
they see a sagging rear wiper in a lack of badging? Or am I being a goofball?

I will probably go scan this today and look at the color in person.

AZBob
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On Jul 18, 2024, at 9:13 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Yes, your scanner will work just fine. Use the same procedure to fire it up as 
you did with your W163 and you’ll get the same results.

-D

On Jul 18, 2024, at 8:43 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

Seller finally responded.
carfax reports minor damage in 2014 but it doesn’t show what area of the 
vehicle was effected. Otherwise it was purchased new in Beverly Hills and 
serviced there regularly until 2013, 55k miles, sold to someone in Bakersfield 
and was regularly serviced there until seller buying it in June (seller is a 
guy trying to be a small, independent dealer).
He said he’d bring it over to my side of town so I can see it. I just might 
take him up on it…unless the CarFax should make me nervous.

Also, could I scan it with this scanner I use on the W163?

AZBob

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On Jul 18, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

It’s a pump, a valve, a reservoir tank, and 2 struts in front and 2 bags in 
back. There’s a controller somewhere. The bags are relatively inexpensive, the 
struts more. The valve snd pump are cheap. Nothing particularly difficult to 
swap. I’m not sure why people get all bent about airmatic given the benefits 
esp in an SUV.  If you’re buying an expensive German vehicle thrr we n don’t be 
a cheapass about its primary features. Get a DAS system you can scan diagnose 
and test the system and you’re halfway there.

--FT
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On Jul 18, 2024, at 1:31 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Floyd has some insight into the pneumatic suspension, but I don’t think it’s 
problematic based on what I’ve heard/read. I believe it’s a system similar to 
what’s on the W220/211, but not sure as I’ve never owned a car with it. If so, 
these are pretty simple, the struts can be expensive to replace if they leak, 
which I don’t think is a common issue.

Good catch - I didn’t notice the debadging. You can buy the badging from MB all 
ready to stick on the car, if it’s still available.

-D

On Jul 18, 2024, at 10:21 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

How problematic is the pneumatic suspension? Also, I wonder why the badging is 
removed? Do people think it makes it somehow look better?

AZBob

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On Jul 18, 2024, at 9:58 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Bob,

It’s not so much the ML550, but the W164. It’s a major improvement over the 
W163s, far more car-like while still retaining a lot of the truck qualities 
that made the W163 useful.

I’m not sure the smaller displacement W164s do much better economy-wise, so 
having the ML550 does provide some advantages when it comes to power and 
towing. Amazingly, my ML550 got better mileage while towing a UHaul car carrier 
with the CL600 on it than running empty. Go figure!

I love mine, despite the crappy mileage. If I’m just tooling around town I’ll 
be lucky to hit 16 mpg, but on the highway, depending on load, I’ll easily hit 
the mid and upper teens. I don’t drive that much anyway, so the difference 
doesn’t really matter a whole lot to me. It’s a far more comfortable ride, I 
think, far less truck-like than the W163, and has more creature comforts, too.

Mine is approaching 200k without any real issues to speak of. I bought it with 
175k on the clock two years ago for $6500, so the one you’ve posted isn’t far 
off based on price and mileage. Provenance is important on these, and while 
there’s no major issues with the W164s that I know of, good maintenance is 
always important. This one is really loaded up, with pneumatic suspension, 
Parktronic (which is pretty rare on these) as well as the rear seat 
entertainment system (DVD player.)

Nice example. I would definitely consider this one if I was looking for another 
W164.

-D

On Jul 18, 2024, at 9:28 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

Low miles. In spite of it being straight up realtor spec, I wonder what 
comparable ones have been going for?

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Since it's still running just fine and my garage is 110 degress typically 
during the day,  I am not enthused to do the CP on my ML. I did just replace 
the driver's rear window regulator
I think I want to move on from this W163 and maybe get something like this. 
Many of you dig ML550s.

AZBob
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