it is your way of thinking... not mine
especially because this forum has been much less on meteorites
since Fb and other social networks seem to drag the traffic...
and I will never go to these massroads
I love meteorites for what they are.
I am not a collector, but happy to have some Campo del Ceilo
a Seshuan but no gorgeous pallasite...
And I enjoy others sharing here on this worldwide forum,
like the sinkholes from Paul H.
All the best
Michael B.
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From: "Michael Farmer" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:57 AM
To: "Michael Bross" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Adam Hupe" <[email protected]>; "Adam"
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
In no way shape or form does speed cameras or privacy rules etc belong on
this list. Nothing in these emails was about meteorites.
Michael Farmer
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:33 PM, "Michael Bross" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi List
Thank you Adam for your posts and links
I love the one with your soulmate waving to the camera.
I am French, lived many years in NYC and the East.
Now with a "pied-a-terre" in Obernai, near Strasbourg in France.
In France, the speed radars are almost only placed to milk money, as you
sadly said
for Colorado. (not to get the real "road dogs")
Michael (Farmer), I also understand your point as this being of topic...
but is it so ? when we look at the lengthy interesting posts about BLM
rules,
the meteorite market etc... this goes in the same range of looking at our
world today
Like Adam rightfully said... the freedom of privacy has gone
and I am very sad to hear that about USA !
Anyway...
In France, you can be on a road late at night with nobody around for
miles and time... and being flashed by a radar because you are a couple
miles
over the "limit", between quotes, because being at 80 or 100 miles an
hour
in SUCH circumstances... doesn't matter at all. (we are talking about
being
on a multiple lane freeway/ Autobahn with barely any other car or truck
around)
In Germany, they have radars...BUT you have a margin of 05-10 kms in town
and 20-30 on Autobahn
btw, when I go to NYC, nobody is at the speed limit of 55 miles/hour
but more in the 65-70 range... the troopers onl sort out the ones really
off limits...
So, I agree with Adam with all the points he made.
Socially responsible... YES
But... please no not-human eye to estimate a situation as it should be...
Au revoir
Michael B.
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From: "Adam Hupe" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:18 AM
To: "Adam" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this weekend.
Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going on.
Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about unfair
traffic violation citations. It is pretty bad when some cops are too
lazy hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do the job. I
have seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in Arizona waiting
around blind corners on the freeway just to ruin somebody's day who may
be going a few miles over the limit! It is pretty bad when you can
retrace your road trip 3 months later just by accessing the data on
traffic cams.
What ever happened to chasing speeders down and giving them a ticket
face to face so you can al least see who your accuser is and argue with
them if they are wrong?
To me, all this data collecting (spying) on every single person in the
United States and those in other countries reflects poorly on those
currently in office who are abusing this new-found power. They need to
be ousted! What ever happened to warrants and probable cause? Our
freedom of privacy is at stake!
What next, a toilet cam with a weight monitor under the seat, a DNA
sampler and a butt recognition system?
Adam
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Farmer <[email protected]>
To: Adam Hupe <[email protected]>
Cc: Adam <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
Why is this on the list?
Michael Farner
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Adam Hupe <[email protected]>
wrote:
There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will
still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year. They are called
traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this
data for an undetermined period of time. The cameras have OCR meaning
they can read your license plate numbers. This gives them the ability
to retrace your every move if needed in court.
The freedom of privacy is long gone!
Adam
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Mulgrew <[email protected]>
To: Adam Hupe <[email protected]>
Cc: Meteorite List <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
One of thousands of cameras? Might be a bit of an overstatement.
According to an article written in 2010 (after the state stopped the
photo speed enforcement program), only a few local jurisdictions still
use them.
"This is much more limited in scale and scope," [Matthew Benson, a
spokesman for the Governor's Office] said. "You've only got (eight)
instances of this throughout the state."
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/some-arizona-cities-still-using-speed-cameras-after-program-was-ended-by-gov-jan-brewer
Michael in so. Cal.
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Adam Hupe <[email protected]>
wrote:
It is interesting that our friend is speaking of traffic stops.
Luckily for us, ED or Electronic D.N.A. is on the job 24 hours a day
365 days a year. Here are some images of my wife I with a Nevada State
Patrol in hot pursuit. She had the ticket printed before we were even
stopped as witnessed on camera. In Arizona, they will just send you a
ticket in the mail if one of the thousands of cameras tracks you
speeding.
Image of Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit:
http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-a.jpg
Ticket already printed before stop:
http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-b.jpg
Sate Patrol officer looks pretty huffed, see you in court:
http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-c.jpg
Excuses like my throttle was stuck, my foot fell asleep or my tennis
shoe is made out cement will not fly in court these days since ED
doesn't lie. Tell the truth and you may get off with a parking meter
violation even though there are no parking meters here in Laughlin,
Nevada.
Be careful on these long meteorite hunting road trips if you do not
want see a ticket in the mail or worse yet a trooper who has the look
of glee on their face when they pull you over!
Adam
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