Mike, Given the wide range of lithologies we are hearing about, all I am saying it might be interesting to test the multiple lithologies and confirm what you are saying. I am not suggesting anything about multiple bodies or not, I don't have an opinion. I am simply describing how you could provide geochem evidence to form a well supported hypothesis. By the way, Laurence's BSE's on FB are unequivocal L6 -- nice equilibrated chondrules!
Carl ************************************* Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Michael Farmer <m...@meteoriteguy.com> wrote: > Carl, you you suggesting this might be from different fall? I was there less > than two weeks after the fall. I bought pieces as they were being found right > in front of us. When we showed up with cash the whole village ran around > picking up stones in 52 degree C (120f) heat. There were stones everywhere > including on the street. No one cared until we came with money. We found one > stone ourselves. Nearly every villager had stones. It is dead center India, > among the poorest places on earth. I saw 5 iron only pieces and numerous > partial iron and partial stone pieces. > Whatever Katol is, (L6), it has large iron chunks inside and some become > complete individuals during the fall. > I really would like I clarify that this piece is Katol, I was there as it was > found, we bought it seconds after the finder picked it up from beside his > house. Can we please accept that this is Katol, not another meteorite! > Michael Farmer > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Carl Agee <a...@unm.edu> wrote: >> >> Hi MikeG and All: >> >> The iron might be from L6 if it turns out that the few silicates in it >> (olivine and pyroxenes) have L6 geochem. You see that in the H-metal >> from Yucca. Of course large metal masses are probably not as commonly >> associated with L. Also if you had oxygen isotopes of the silicate >> inclusions from the iron or for that matter oxygen isotopes of the >> lithologies that seem to be more like achondrite, you could start to >> sort out if it is all from the same meteoroid. >> >> Carl Agee >> ************************************* >> Carl B. Agee >> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics >> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences >> MSC03 2050 >> University of New Mexico >> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 >> >> Tel: (505) 750-7172 >> Fax: (505) 277-3577 >> Email: a...@unm.edu >> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks >> <meteoritem...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi Mike and List, >>> >>> Mike, and the behalf of countless others, I hope we hear that story >>> one day. I imagine it must have been pretty bad for you to say it was >>> a "little scary". >>> >>> There are a predominance of stony lithologies, but Mike's iron is >>> obviously not an L6 chondrite. So what do we call a mass like Mike's >>> superb iron shield? Do we refer to his specimen as " Katol (L6)" or >>> do we refer to it as something else? Does Katol have some similarity >>> with Almahata Sitta, in the sense that stones with different >>> lithologies (and classifications) shared the same strewnfield? >>> >>> So, a majority of hand specimens show a curious lithology that is >>> granular, shocked, and originating from the L-chondrite group. Has >>> anyone tried to plot the affinities from the specimens like Mike's >>> that don't match the majority lithology? I'd be curious if they also >>> fit into the L-chondrite group, or, if they were xenoliths hitching a >>> ride in the Katol rubble-pile. >>> >>> Good stuff. It's about time that Katol gets some serious attention. :) >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> MikeG >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >>> Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >>> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >>> Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone >>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 1/1/14, Michael Farmer <m...@meteoriteguy.com> wrote: >>>> Yes, this piece is oriented heat shield shaped with countless flow lines >>>> and >>>> bubbles on the thick backside crust. There are a couple of crystal-rich >>>> sections. It is one of my favorite pieces in my collection, the adventure >>>> to >>>> acquire was a little scary. >>>> Laurence Garvie has taken many photos of it, I am sure he has incredible >>>> photos I haven't seen. This photo was the only one I got. >>>> The piece is still at ASU on loan, it will be on display at the Tucson >>>> show. >>>> Michael Farmer >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 1, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Carl Agee <a...@unm.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Oh, of course, this the metal-rich piece? >>>>> ************************************* >>>>> Carl B. Agee >>>>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics >>>>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences >>>>> MSC03 2050 >>>>> University of New Mexico >>>>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 >>>>> >>>>> Tel: (505) 750-7172 >>>>> Fax: (505) 277-3577 >>>>> Email: a...@unm.edu >>>>> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Michael Farmer <m...@meteoriteguy.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> No chondrules. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Graham Ensor <graham.en...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think it is almost totally nickel iron and the marks are flow lines >>>>>>> and small impact pits similar to those you find on Sikhote Alin... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Graham >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Carl Agee <a...@unm.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>> Or perhaps the sphericals are vesiculation of fusion crust? I agree >>>>>>>> with Jim, it would be nice to see some BSE images. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Carl >>>>>>>> ************************************* >>>>>>>> Carl B. Agee >>>>>>>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics >>>>>>>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences >>>>>>>> MSC03 2050 >>>>>>>> University of New Mexico >>>>>>>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tel: (505) 750-7172 >>>>>>>> Fax: (505) 277-3577 >>>>>>>> Email: a...@unm.edu >>>>>>>> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Carl Agee <a...@unm.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Beautiful oriented and flow lines! I assume all the circular and >>>>>>>>> spherical shapes are chondrules peeking through the fusion crust? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing Mike! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Carl >>>>>>>>> ************************************* >>>>>>>>> Carl B. Agee >>>>>>>>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics >>>>>>>>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences >>>>>>>>> MSC03 2050 >>>>>>>>> University of New Mexico >>>>>>>>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tel: (505) 750-7172 >>>>>>>>> Fax: (505) 277-3577 >>>>>>>>> Email: a...@unm.edu >>>>>>>>> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Jim Wooddell >>>>>>>>> <jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Thanks Jeff! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Would love to see a polished window image as well as some BSE images >>>>>>>>>> now! >>>>>>>>>> Maybe Laurence or whoever has them can share! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If this thing is going to have a paper published we may have to >>>>>>>>>> wait! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/1/2014 11:35 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike's photo in posted in the database now. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jeff >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/1/2014 1:19 PM, Jim Wooddell wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Jim Wooddell >>>>>>>>>> jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net >>>>>>>>>> http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>>>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>>>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
