Carl, Karen, Jim, Michael et all....is the oriented iron (Mike's) simply an
isolated portion of a larger mass's metal bleebs? I can't understand how
without silicates the iron can be associated, but that's because I'm not up
to date. Help....?
Richard Montgoemry
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From: "Michael Farmer" <[email protected]>
To: "Carl Agee" <[email protected]>
Cc: "meteoritelist meteoritelist" <[email protected]>;
"Jim Wooddell" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official
I am not arguing with Laurence, the photos of the thin sections, the oxygen
isotope data seems clear.
I am simply showing there is a little more going on with Katol than common
(l6).
You can examine the piece in Tucson when you come down for the show.
I think you'll like it.
Michael Farmer
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On Jan 2, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Carl Agee <[email protected]> wrote:
Mike,
Given the wide range of lithologies we are hearing about, all I am
saying it might be interesting to test the multiple lithologies and
confirm what you are saying. I am not suggesting anything about
multiple bodies or not, I don't have an opinion. I am simply
describing how you could provide geochem evidence to form a well
supported hypothesis. By the way, Laurence's BSE's on FB are
unequivocal L6 -- nice equilibrated chondrules!
Carl
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On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Michael Farmer <[email protected]>
wrote:
Carl, you you suggesting this might be from different fall? I was there
less than two weeks after the fall. I bought pieces as they were being
found right in front of us. When we showed up with cash the whole
village ran around picking up stones in 52 degree C (120f) heat. There
were stones everywhere including on the street. No one cared until we
came with money. We found one stone ourselves. Nearly every villager had
stones. It is dead center India, among the poorest places on earth. I
saw 5 iron only pieces and numerous partial iron and partial stone
pieces.
Whatever Katol is, (L6), it has large iron chunks inside and some become
complete individuals during the fall.
I really would like I clarify that this piece is Katol, I was there as
it was found, we bought it seconds after the finder picked it up from
beside his house. Can we please accept that this is Katol, not another
meteorite!
Michael Farmer
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On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Carl Agee <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi MikeG and All:
The iron might be from L6 if it turns out that the few silicates in it
(olivine and pyroxenes) have L6 geochem. You see that in the H-metal
from Yucca. Of course large metal masses are probably not as commonly
associated with L. Also if you had oxygen isotopes of the silicate
inclusions from the iron or for that matter oxygen isotopes of the
lithologies that seem to be more like achondrite, you could start to
sort out if it is all from the same meteoroid.
Carl Agee
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On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Mike and List,
Mike, and the behalf of countless others, I hope we hear that story
one day. I imagine it must have been pretty bad for you to say it was
a "little scary".
There are a predominance of stony lithologies, but Mike's iron is
obviously not an L6 chondrite. So what do we call a mass like Mike's
superb iron shield? Do we refer to his specimen as " Katol (L6)" or
do we refer to it as something else? Does Katol have some similarity
with Almahata Sitta, in the sense that stones with different
lithologies (and classifications) shared the same strewnfield?
So, a majority of hand specimens show a curious lithology that is
granular, shocked, and originating from the L-chondrite group. Has
anyone tried to plot the affinities from the specimens like Mike's
that don't match the majority lithology? I'd be curious if they also
fit into the L-chondrite group, or, if they were xenoliths hitching a
ride in the Katol rubble-pile.
Good stuff. It's about time that Katol gets some serious attention.
:)
Best regards,
MikeG
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On 1/1/14, Michael Farmer <[email protected]> wrote:
Yes, this piece is oriented heat shield shaped with countless flow
lines and
bubbles on the thick backside crust. There are a couple of
crystal-rich
sections. It is one of my favorite pieces in my collection, the
adventure to
acquire was a little scary.
Laurence Garvie has taken many photos of it, I am sure he has
incredible
photos I haven't seen. This photo was the only one I got.
The piece is still at ASU on loan, it will be on display at the
Tucson
show.
Michael Farmer
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On Jan 1, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Carl Agee <[email protected]> wrote:
Oh, of course, this the metal-rich piece?
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On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Michael Farmer
<[email protected]>
wrote:
No chondrules.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 1, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Graham Ensor <[email protected]>
wrote:
I think it is almost totally nickel iron and the marks are flow
lines
and small impact pits similar to those you find on Sikhote Alin...
Graham
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Carl Agee <[email protected]> wrote:
Or perhaps the sphericals are vesiculation of fusion crust? I
agree
with Jim, it would be nice to see some BSE images.
Carl
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On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Carl Agee <[email protected]> wrote:
Beautiful oriented and flow lines! I assume all the circular and
spherical shapes are chondrules peeking through the fusion
crust?
Thanks for sharing Mike!
Carl
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University of New Mexico
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On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Jim Wooddell
<[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Jeff!
Would love to see a polished window image as well as some BSE
images
now!
Maybe Laurence or whoever has them can share!
If this thing is going to have a paper published we may have to
wait!
Jim
On 1/1/2014 11:35 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote:
Mike's photo in posted in the database now.
Jeff
On 1/1/2014 1:19 PM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
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