Mendy and All, I have a queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach. My nose is twitching and I smell an unpleasant odor. Like I'm standing near an outhouse in Colorado.
Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc Message----- >From: Gmail via Meteorite-list <[email protected]> >Sent: Jan 15, 2016 5:26 AM >To: Ann Cain <[email protected]>, Met-List ><[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The US World Record Mars Meteorite Discovery > >There is no conspiracy except the one you have created to bring some misguided >legitimacy to your story and your rocks. > >You also do an immense disservice to our dedicated scientist and >meteoriticists. They have no malicious intent to prejudicially reject your >rocks. Their motive is furthering science not protecting the financial >interests of dealers and collectors. You are accusing the same group of >scientists who in recent years identified new Martian meteorites like Black >Beauty. My point is that a new and exciting discovery would not be suppressed >because it would benefit the scientist personally and the community at large. > >If you actually looked at market trends, you would soon discover that prices >for Martian Shergottites are falling because of an oversupply. Once you get >past the 1 or 2kg the scientific community would EVER need, the rest would >only be of concern for the collector community and the price would be set by >any number of factors such as but not limited to supply. > >Finally, I am offended that you refer to Tikkun Olam (repairing or doing good >for the benefit of the world). You are doing quite the opposite and what is >worse doing so for ego and personal benefit. When Yom Kippur comes, I can only >hope that you will be honest with yourself, atone for lashon hara (derogatory >speech) and move on. > >Respectfully, > >Mendy Ouzillou > >On Jan 15, 2016, at 1:59 AM, Ann Cain via Meteorite-list ><[email protected]> wrote: > > >Meteorite List, > > >Recall: >Both my sister Ann Cain (who opened the email account) and I, Glyn Howard, use >the same email account: > >Ann Cain, Glyn Howard >gfndit(at)hotmail.com > > > >This has been a long time coming ... for many years now I have been a reader >of the Meteorite List. > >I know this discovery sounds Wow! Unbelievable. Surreal. Pick your adjective. >But it is what is is. All the physical empirical evidences prove it. I'm not >in fear of re-confirmation. I welcome it. I know what it is. It's all >repeatable (empirical). > >I appreciate well-known PhD members from the Meteorite List who have contacted >me off-line. I will respond. Please give me time. > > >The evidence for the typical Mars meteorite key type specimens for this >discovery: > >GSA and GSB > >http://gfoundit-mars.com/TheEvidence.html > >http://gfoundit-mars.com/TheEvidenceGSA.html > >http://gfoundit-mars.com/TheEvidenceGSB.html > > >The Gallery of US World Record Mars Meteorite specimens: > >http://gfoundit-mars.com/GalleryOfImages.html > > >I will be putting-up/finishing the gallery of World Record Mars meteorite >specimens by this Passover. > > > >I do not want to hurt anyone's professional reputation. I'm not a mean or >vengeful person. The full complete back story and certain people's identities >will remain private. Just know there is a private history in the background of >this incredible discovery and full story. Several very well known PhDs at >Universities in the meteoritics community, who are meteorite analysts, members >of the Meteoritcal Society, and perhaps at times over the years have even >posted here on the Meteorite List, have held some of these specimens in their >hands, have done tests. They know. I knew they were meteorites before I came >to them. I knew that they were achondrites. However, at the time I couldn't >prove the parent body. I didn't know how. > >The moment I wasn't willing to share or reveal the discovery site is the >moment the road-blocks, the walls, the disinformation began toward me. >(Extrusive igneous Dacite, an evolved lava, is not a sedimentary rock! Lol.) >We've seen this kind of behavior in the meteoritcs community before. It's >nothing new, sadly. This is a dark history of the meteoritics world >unfortunately. How many very rare important discoveries have been lost to the >world of science and to mankind because those in research and academia have >played unethical games of gate-keeping and have refused to just do their job >and just do pure science and do the analysis honestly and ethically without >games, without gate-keeping, without attempting to wrestle from the discoverer >the original discovery site? The discoverer has a right to withhold the >discovery site to guard their discovery and its full value, and to protect it. >How many people over the many years couldn't persevere against this wall, this >unethical gate-ke e > ping because they didn't have the prerequisite skills or knowledge and they > weren't able to realize that they were lied to or purposefully fed > disinformation, and as a result had to walk away and give up, with an > incredible treasure of scientific knowledge and wealth in their hand? It > could of been very different. It could have been a very cooperative process > of discovery for everyone. > >The original discoverer has rights. I've said it before , and I'll keep saying >it ... > >It takes discoverers to make scientific discoveries. Doing science and making >scientific discoveries is not a crime. There is a right to protect discoveries >and intellectual property. > > >"Contrary to their public image, scientists are normal, flawed human beings. >They are as capable of prejudice, covetousness, pride, deceitfulness, etc., as >anyone." >-- David Weatherall, "Conduct Unbecoming," American Scientist (Vol.93, >January-February 2005), p.73 >http://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pub/conduct-unbecoming > > >As it turns out I'm rather glad it happened the way it did. Nothing like >purposeful road-blocks, gate-keeping, and disinformation thrown at me to >motivate me to learn to how to do it myself. As the old adage goes, if you >want something done right you have to do it yourself. The Earth Sciences are >my background. I have the prerequisite skills. It took time but I did it. I'm >still learning. I never stop learning. I didn't do it in a vacuum. I had much >help and assistance along the way, from very good, professional scientists and >technicians who were very ethical and very knowledgeable and very helpful, and >then they did their assigned jobs very professionally and willingly. One day >when the story can be told completely in detail I will certainly call out >personally all those who helped me. The others who didn't, I will anonymously >thank for motivating me to learn meteoritics and to learn to do it on my own. >I have enjoyed the scientific process immensely. Much more to come. And I ca n > prove what I know. > >Why when making the discovery of meteorites in the field, why then give away >the scientific analysis and identification process to another? Why not learn >how to do it for yourself so that your knowledge of the science of meteoritics >increases? Why give away that joy of this discovery process? Sure I understand >that many can't do it or perhaps they aren't interested in the whole >scientific process, but I am. Why not go after the full credit for the full >discovery -- from the field, to the lab, all the way to the publication? Sure >there are tests I cannot do, others will do these tests afterwards. However, >it doesn't change the fact that I made this WR meteorite field discovery, and >in the lab I proved they are meteorites, proved the petrology, and then proved >the Parent Body of origin for this achondrite meteorite find. The PB is Mars. >I was able to prove all of this first. Others will re-confirm second. And >others will go much further thereafter. There is an incredible amount of pur e > science about Mars to learn from this full discovery. I would like to be > intimately involved in that with my full discovery. I'm sure this US World > Record Mars Meteorite Discovery will make many careers for many scientists > for a long time to come. NASA Houston Space Command will have to add another > adjacent building to Building 31, or at least expand, just to store the new > Mars material. I have no doubt about that. > >If a tree falls in the forest and no-one is there to hear it or witness the >event ... guess what it still fell! The event still happened and made a sound. >Likewise the discovery of and the science of meteorites (meteoritics) still >takes place outside of the formal controlling walls of The Meteoritical >Society and official publication in The Bulletin. There will be time for that >down the road. > >When a World Record discovery occurs on this level, you do not give the keys >away to the discovery. I have a right to guard my discovery and its full value >to help the greatest number of people. It is possible to make incredible >discoveries, do incredible and exciting science, and achieve social justice >for many many people all at the same time. It's the right thing to do. I >intend to do just that. There is a reason this discovery was given to me to >make. Tikkun olam. 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