In real estate, it is called doing your own due diligence. I am simply
trying to assist by providing the tools necessary for prospective buyers
to make an informed purchasing decision.
You will find that a lot of reputable dealers and high end collectors
have left the meteorite market due to the staggering amount of unproven
and unclassified amount of material interfering with legitimate
offerings. It is more difficult then ever navigating through all the
listings to find valid material with perfect provenance.
Speaking of real estate, I need to work on something productive like
property descriptions instead of creating a dealer snitch list.
I wish everybody the best in future acquisitions,
Adam
On 10/9/2017 3:34 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
Adam,
I was truly hoping to join your wagon train by virtue of your great
post regarding what to look out for in Ebay sales. I believe it may
have helped many people to not make a bad buy.
But now, again, you're losing me--again you state that you are aware
of 108 bad sales divided by the amount of Dealers and you know who
these sellers are -- but you're not tellin'--- smart !
And, you state that the Met-Bull will produce these bad dealers, by what means
do you mean?? Deduction ??
If you indeed want to help people Not make a bad deal--then why are you
basically making them jump through hoops. You are not helping anyone
by keeping this information to yourself. Either Name Them or quit writing
about this subject----it's doing no-one any good.
Get back on track----you have alot to offer this community....
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <[email protected]>
To: "metlist" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] R: help me in understand analysis
I have been getting several requests to name the dealers engaged in less
than honest business practices. I have publicly called out those who
violated the sanctity of meteorites I was involved with in the past by
self-pairing and piggy-backing material I placed on the market. At one
point, it was almost a full-time job. I am not interested in creating a
"Dealer hall Of Shame" list however you can put one together yourself
with a little bit of work. You would be surprised at the number of
dealers who are engaged in deceptive trade practices.
I found 108 violations out of the 265 lunar meteorites currently listed
on eBay by simply cross referencing the Meteoritical Bulletin. There
are a lot more than 108 if unclassified material with no numbers is
taken into account.
For NWA material, the Meteortical Bulletin will assist in providing you
with a list of dealers to avoid. Carefully write down the NWA numbers
in question and enter them into the Meteoritical Bulletin search text field.
Link to the meteoritical Bulletin search page:
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/
Things to look out for in the bulletin.
If there is more material by weight available on the market than what is
listed in the bulletin, then there is fraud taking place.
If the number of complete stones listed in the Bulletin under a
particular NWA number is exceeded, then you are looking at another case
of self-pairing which is also fraud.
If you are not provided with a complete chain of custody back to the
persons name in the bulletin who submitted the meteorite for study, then
it is not worth pursuing.
If you type in the NWA number or name and no data shows up, it means the
stone is not official and has not been approved.
It is interesting to see who made the list of dealers to avoid!
Happy hunting,
Adam
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