Wow off in the weeds... Let me clarify ( as I am NOT looking for free consulting time this was not meant as give me free research )
So many times at the LUG lunches ( need to go if you can ) have I casually mentioned things like: Me: "Wow I just installed Vurtual Box and it's not that bad" Mike: " I hate Virtual Box it screwed up one of my systems" Sean: "Ya what's wrong with KVM? it's more of what your looking for..." so goes back and forth, 2 days latter the Vurtual Box caused me to re-install that box as it screwed up that system ( but that's my fault not saying that VB is bad for others). Point is would have been more productive if I had asked for experiences first, KVM was harder to learn then Virtual Box but it's outperforming it and so far it has not interfered with the base OS, as I have observed other methods sometimes doing. So I was fishing around to make use that there was no known gotcha's with the base OS and the Hyper-visor. The latest kernel ( http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/5/16/89 ) does have major KVM improvements thus staying current is necessary. Unfortunately I think that Gentoo is a tad bit extreme for my management to sign off on and on the other token CentOS or RHEL may not be current enough to take advantage of kernel KVM improvements. I currently plan on Fedora 13 for two reasons: 1) it has kernel 2.6.33 which is newer then Ubuntu at 2.6.32 2) Development is using it so that alone may get "management buy-in" 3) Since production in IBM is based on Red Hat and SuSE ( Sean and others are in development ) I can communicate RPM commands, I could not see supporting apt or portage, this is a side project not a life goal. Tempted as it be to go with Ubuntu, I think unless anyone can tell me something BIG that I have overlooked, Fedora is the best fit. In that trying to balance easy of use ( as in end users know RPM commands ), performance and peer/management acceptance. Thank you for the discussion ( start installing Fedora 13 Tuesday ) the points I have taken away is: 1) Newer kernel better ( where Gentoo wins this race ) 2) Be very VERY specfic when asking technical questions on the list in which I want actual answers and not goofing around. Joe On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Chris Knadle <[email protected]>wrote: > On Friday, May 28, 2010, Jesse Farinacci wrote: > ... > > > Look again. He asked for what was "best", not "high > > > performance". Not the same thing. > > > > Perhaps you should look again at the OP: "We are not talking > > comfort zone, but technical issues like does one distro's HV out > > preform another?" -- I'll grant you it is very difficult to > > navigate the maze of parenthetical comments and spelling mistakes, > > but surely I can not be blamed for saying "" Gentoo would be best > > because it has the best performance "" when it is clearly > > something the OP asked specifically about. > > I'll just accept that. > > ... > > > Gentoo often causes admins pitfalls, and that needs to be > > > considered before choosing it. By "selling" Gentoo is this "off > > > the cuff" way without explaining anything, I believe you're > > > hurting your own cause in the end. > > > > Every distribution has admin pitfalls. I don't think I'm a stupid > > guy, but I literally spent an entire day trying to get an Ubuntu > > system installed and up to date; this was back in the 8.04 days, > > and I did so without a manual. I eventually gave up and asked the > > guy across the hall to do it in exchange for a coffee. > > I've had that problem, too... sure. If you don't know what you're > doing you can easily break an 'distribution' upgrade on Debian or > Ubuntu. [You have to know to use 'apt-get dist-upgrade', because > that's the only way the system knows to upgrade the packages in the > correct order, and without removing necessary dependencies.] > > You're able to deal with Gentoo as well as you can because of your > intimate familiarity with it, as I am with Debian and as Joe is with > Ubuntu. This is also the real reason why your statement of "Gentoo is > fastest" bothered me. > > > > Furthermore, my cause is merely to find the path of least > > resistance. I know we've talked in person and online before, but I > > don't think I've ever come across as some sort of software > > liberation freedom fighter (my license of choice is ASL-2, not > > GPL-*). I like Gentoo because it quite simply is the most > > efficient system available. I am no zealot, and deep down I think > > that most people /should not/ use it because, despite what lip > > service they may pay, they do not actually want to learn something > > new on their own -- said skill / passion / philosophical bent / > > whatever being pretty much a requisite for my distro of choice. > > Unfortunately I did take your original statement as zealotry, and I > reacted poorly. For that, I apologize. > > As I believe I've lamented about previously, I specifically find it > troublesome when long-range decisions are advised about in what seems > like a shortsighted manner. Unfortunately I guess I even find that > offensive, even from a friend. I was sure you knew what you were > talking about and that you weren't trying to steer Joe the wrong way > -- I just think you're at the "5th state of knowledge" concerning > Gentoo where "you've forgotten what you know, and you think that > everybody else knows it." And when that happens, I think it's best to > point it out. > > Know what I mean? ;-) > > -- Chris > > -- > > Chris Knadle > [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Mid-Hudson Valley Linux Users Group http://mhvlug.org > http://mhvlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mhvlug > > Upcoming Meetings (6pm - 8pm) MHVLS Auditorium > Jun 2 - Android > Jul 7 - Patent Absurdity - The Movie > Aug 4 - Samba >
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