There is a guy in Greece that sports gapless rings, he seemed happy with them.
You can find him on MTnet username BIGTURBO I believe.
Don't give up yet, I was considering doing the same but decided to stick with stock pistons and rings for this build. Im sure there will be more builds later on.
Cheers,
Danijel Krajisnik
--- On Wed, 5/7/08, Jerry Malsam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Jerry Malsam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Total Seal gapless rings, removing oil squirters on boosted 1.8L
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008, 10:46 AM
I think the idea was to try to get a little better compression, a little more power for the same boost. A ring that seals better sure seems like a good idea, and it's an easy mod while the engine is being built.
Anyhow, since I'm getting a resounding "Hell no" both here and on the power forum, I'm keeping the oil squirters and just using the rings that came with the Wisecos. Thanks for the advice, Jim, and everybody!
--Jerry
On 5/1/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
How about LEAVE the oils squirters and DELETE the Total Seal rings?
I think there is little to be gained if they do perform, and much to be lost if they under perform. In a race car where the motor is being torn down between each event, maybe experimenting is worth the risk.
What exactly do you hope to gain from the TS rings?
Jim in Tucson
In a message dated 5/1/2008 11:57:09 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Got a couple questions from my engine builder (building my street 300whp 1.8L, Wiseco 8.8CR skirt-coated pistons) concerning Total Seal rings that I need some opinions on:
1. The Total Seal guy is suggesting that we use a gapless ring as the top ring, and the highest possible tension on the oil control ring. I was thinking the gapless ring was usually used for the *second* ring for boosted applications.
2. More confounding, the Total Seal guy is suggesting that we plug the oil squirters. I'm thinking..., whaaa', HUH??? This would make sense for a built N/A motor, but it seems like a terrible idea for boosted street engine, where temps are much higher. (Also, I plan to use an oil cooler, so I would think I'd want as much heat transferred to the oil as possible.) Thoughts?
3. (This question is my own!) Are the Total Seal rings just a bad idea? I know they have a sketchy history with Miatas, but I thought they've been redesigned since them. And yet I'm still reading about people burning excessive oil with them. I don't mind the extra $$ for the Toal Seals, but especially considering this is for a street car, am I better off just using with the conventional rings that came with the Wisecos? What's the scoop?
Thanks, and I hope to be posting some pretty dyno plots in another month or two!
--Jerry
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