All,
I had a friend literally "lose a day" at VIR when late in the afternoon
session he lost control in a corner, the rear came around and hit a row
of stacked tires. He was belted in - 6 point, and of course had a full
helmet. The impact ripped the seat from the floor board mounts and his
head wacked the bar. If he had not been wearing that helmet I am sure
he would not be here today. He stands 5' 8" at most. When he regained
consciousness at the hospital he had no memories past the point of
driving up to VIR. Everything that followed was wiped!
I have worried about the height of the bars ever since then. I'm not
sure there is a good solution. For all practical purposes the bar must
be short to allow the soft top to function. Having a roll bar without
wearing a helmet seems risky to me.
Play safe.
Tony
Larry Alster wrote:
I have 4 different versions of the bar
Yes one of them is the HT version, that's in Janice's car.
The rest of them are just different generations of the same bar. Yes
it sits forward, that's how you get the height. Am I worried about
hitting it, no. I think I stand just as much chance hitting parts of
the top too.
Larry
White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
LowCountry Miata _http://www.lowcountrymiataclub.net_
Masters Miata
RAGS 074
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Bryan Wyatt
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:51 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: Hard Dog Hard Core fitment on MSM
Sure you don't have the Hard Core Hard Top, Larry? Believe me, the
bar sits pretty far forward.
-Bryan
--- On *Wed, 8/13/08, Larry Alster /<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
From: Larry Alster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Hard Dog Hard Core fitment on MSM
To: "'Shaun Bogan'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED],
"'Miata Power List'" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 6:46 PM
I have 4 different versions of the HDHC bars in my 4 cars. I don't
see any seat travel issues with them and I'm not really sure I'm going
to worry about hitting the bar in a crash. Before I hit the bar I
would think I would have other things to be worrying about.
Larry
White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
LowCountry Miata _http://www.lowcountrymiataclub.net_
Masters Miata
RAGS 074
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Shaun Bogan
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:32 PM
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Miata Power List'
*Subject:* RE: Hard Dog Hard Core fitment on MSM
Yeah, I ordered it accidentally. I thought I had a Hard Core in my
M1, but It's actually a sport bar. I'm coming back from about a 3
year hiatus from miatas. Picked up a MSM for my girlfriend and meant
to get the same bar for it that I had in my M1. Pretty much sucks.
I love the way it looks, but I'm not so happy with the "safety" for
street use. I'm not really sure what I should do about it. I didn't
realize it was the wrong bar till it was installed and I sat in the
car. I doubt the holes would all line up with a sport bar if I somehow
found a way to swap it out. I was also surprised at how hard the BSCI
padding was. Luckily, she sits farther forward than I do, but that
doesn't do much for me when I drive it.
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Bryan Wyatt
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:23 PM
*To:* Miata Power List
*Subject:* Re: Hard Dog Hard Core fitment on MSM
You're seeing why the HDHC isn't often recommended for most drivers.
It sits very far forward and, if you have the wrong seat, will
severely cut into your seat travel. It was the one thing I hated
about mine. It really has nothing to do with it being in an MSM or
any other NB (or NA, for that matter).
Basically, the area under a top is a curve and the farther forward you
are on that curve, the taller the bar will be.
-Bryan
--- On *Wed, 8/13/08, Shaun Bogan /<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
From: Shaun Bogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hard Dog Hard Core fitment on MSM
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 6:14 PM
Can anyone comment on how this bar is supposed to fit? It seems like
it sits a bit too far forward. I can easily hit my head on the side of
the main hoop in a normal street driving position. In a more upright
track position It's less of an issue. I ordered the bar padding as
well, but I still wouldn't want to hit my head on it. The sport bar
in my M1 doesn't have this issue. I'm afraid that in a backward /
rear end collision at and angle toward the drivers side could result
in a seriously painful head to bar impact.
Has anyone else seen this?
Shaun
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