Larry's not lying to you...the 13275 works just fine. Bill [Cardell]...what does FM sell?
-Bryan --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Larry Alster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Larry Alster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Miatapower Digest, Vol 7, Issue 26 To: "'Lee Davis'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 6:06 AM Message All I can tell you is that this works. As for the unit not being made anymore I find that to be funny since the ones I buy are in the Bosch current style box which is only been in use for a few years. So they would have to repackage them all into the newer boxes?? I’m a believer in K.I.S.S. This unit works. There are probably thousands of high performance Miatas out there using it. In the time you spent chasing this down I would have had the car fixed and running. Larry White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5 LowCountry Miata http://www.lowcountrymiataclub.net Masters Miata RAGS 074 From: Lee Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:01 PM To: 'Larry Alster' Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Miatapower Digest, Vol 7, Issue 26 Larry, you've forgotten more about this than I've ever heard, much less learned; however, I can read what Bosch says: http://www.boschautoparts.com/Resources/VehiclePartFinder/ the Bosch vehicle part finder lists the 13551 as the OE type (13863 in CA) and the 15733 as the universal type for a 2000 Miata.--different engine from mine with the VVT or whatever it is but for a 2002 Miata Bosch says use the 13581 OE type and the 15730 universal type Bosch invented the oxygen sensor -- they ought to know -- they no longer make the 13275 -- all that are available are old stock that has been sitting in someone's shelf since 1989-1996 (12 to 19 years!!) Has any of the technology changed in 19 years? here's what the 13275 was designed for regardless of whether it will physically fit my 2002 Item Description: BOSCH 4-wire O2 oxygen sensor Part # 13275 Front oxygen sensor Protection tube ensures 100% accurate sensor performance Double laser-welded stainless steel body is totally submersible to seal tight and protect against contamination for long life Fast-acting heater optimizes sensor operation (on3- and 4- wire sensors only) Coated threads for easy installation Used in Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Plymouth, Passenger Car/Pickup/SUV/Van You can visit the web-site http://www.boschautoparts.com/Resources/VehiclePartFinder for determining if this sensor is suitable for your car Dodge W350 1989 5.9L V8 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Dodge W350 1992-1993 5.9L V8 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Eagle All 1994 3.3L V6 FLEX OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Eagle All 1994 3.3L V6 GAS OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Eagle All 1993 3.3L V6 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Eagle All 1995 3.3L V6 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Eagle All 1993-1995 3.5L V6 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Jeep All 1991-1995 2.5L L4 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth All 1996 2.0L L4 DOHC ECC OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth All 1995 2.0L L4 DOHC OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth All 1996 2.0L L4 SOHC ECB OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth All 1995 2.0L L4 SOHC OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth All 1996 2.0L L4 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth All 1989 2.2L L4 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth All 1989-1994 2.2L L4 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth All 1993-1994 2.5L L4 FLEX OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth All 1993-1994 2.5L L4 GAS OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth All 1989 2.5L L4 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth All 1991 2.5L L4 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth All 1992 3.0L V6 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth All 1994 3.3L V6 CNG OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth All 1994 3.3L V6 GAS OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth All 1990-1994 3.3L V6 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth All 1994 3.8L V6 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth Acclaim 1989-1992 2.5L L4 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth Acclaim 1995 2.5L L4 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth Acclaim 1989-1995 3.0L V6 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth Grand Voyager 1989 3.0L V6 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth Grand Voyager 1992-1994 3.0L V6 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth Sundance 1989-1990 2.5L L4 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth Sundance 1992-1994 2.5L L4 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth Sundance 1992-1994 3.0L V6 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth Voyager 1989-1995 2.5L L4 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST Plymouth Voyager 1989-1994 3.0L V6 OE TYPE BEFORE CATALYST I think I chose wisely in getting the 13581 --- I'll let you know in a couple of weeks --- I leave for Indianpolis @ 6 AM tomorrow --- Midwest Miata Gathering -- Indy 500 Lee -----Original Message----- From: Larry Alster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:47 PM To: 'Lee Davis' Subject: RE: Miatapower Digest, Vol 7, Issue 26 Lee your killing me The sensor works FM sells them, you should listen to people with Miata experience Larry White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5 LowCountry Miata http://www.lowcountrymiataclub.net Masters Miata RAGS 074 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Davis Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Miatapower Digest, Vol 7, Issue 26 Thanks again everyone *************************************************************************** Cliff Knight said: The connector I used on the early Miatas that came from the factory with single wire sensors was just a plain ol' 4 conductor Molex connector, not Miata specific. Ford (and a lot of Mazda's) switched over to using an O2 sensor with a 3.3 Ohm heater around 2000, my 2003 Mustang uses such a sensor. Most older sensors, including the 13275 which was OEM for an '87 Oldsmobile, use 6 Ohm heaters that are not compatible with the newer engine computers that switch the heaters on and off as needed. I fear I also cannot provide much assistance as to the 13275 working in a 2002 Miata, in fact it may not. ***************************************************************************** I think I'd better forget the 13275 due to the change in ohm ratings for the heater and get the 13581 plug 'n play, OE type per the Bosch web site for my 2002 Miata (interestingly the Amazon.com site says this does NOT fit my Miata!!) What the heck. I ordered the 13581 from Amazon.com and I hope it just plugs right in and works like a charm. I'll let you know. Thanks again for your help. 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