How is the current system, which I think you are happy with, remotley fair?
It isn't and I didn't say it is. Those that make more continue to payer a larger percentge.... That takes incentive away from earning more That's just not true, but It's nice to say I suppose. Ask Warren Buffet or Bill Gates or tons of small businessmen like me if we try to make less money because we get taxed more. I'm sure you can find many instances of "employees" around the bracket changes where that is true, but the job creation lies in small and medium business. ... It also ha so many loopholes for both the poor and th rich to tale advantage of. Hell I made the most money I've ever made last year and only paid 5% actual tax rate. Is that fair? No, but it's the way things work now. Yup! So long as we know the rules, we play them as best we can. It's the American way. The fair tax is a great plan. The issue is voting people into office that actually care about the people and do what is best for them and not what give the congressman the most money/power. But our voting system is defective, and if you think the "special interests", lobbyists or corporations - who have more constitutional rights than you and me and we the people have are going to let that happen, it won't. We have to fix our voting system and a bunch of other things before you see things fair. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Sep 27, 2009, at 2:35 PM, "Dan Scolnick" <[email protected]> wrote: Larry, Perhaps you don't understand the intelligence of my "stupid" comments. Any legislation, that would have to be passed by the legislature that shifts power away from the legislators isn't real and isn't going to happen. Anything called a fair tax, when implemented, will surely be anything but fair, just look at the "patriot act", ot "loyalty oaths". I was also making a back reference to the oxymorons previously stated in this thread, and noting that a "fair tax" sounds as oxymoronic than "military intelligence". Speaking of military intelligence, isn't it great, all the terrorist plots and busts they did this week? I'm glad OBAMA is keeping us safe from terrorism. Funny thing is the bush legacists keep saying that bush kept us safe from terrorism. Funny I live ¾ of a mile from the largest terrorist attack ever perpetrated on the united states and if I remember correctly it was bushes administration that was in charge (or taking the longest vacations of any president in modern times). Not to mention the successful attack on the heart of our military industrial complex, the pentagon. They would have attacked the capitol as well, if Americas first response wasn't a plane load of civilian patriots (the leader of which was gay), who forced the plane to crash in an empty field rather than let it hit the capital. A 'fair tax" is as theoretical as the health care debate and what each party "says" will be the consequences. We can theorize about many things, but the overarching concepts are important. Otherwise somewhere along the line, some politics, will emasculate any kind of legislation and create unintended consequences. Pay the same percentage? Pay the same dollars? Eliminate the loopholes? Do I like the idea of a tax on consumption? I don't know. I do know it sounded good to me 10 years ago. Dan ________________________________ From: Larry Alster [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:17 PM To: Dan Scolnick; 'Casey Wheeler'; <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Cc: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: RE: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate / Gay Marriage Hey Dan Rather than just making stupid comments about it why don't you try the concept about reading up on it before you mouth off. Larry Alster 91 Miata White Knight 92 Miata Silver Bullet 92 Miata Honey B 04 MSM MX-5 Whooosh 06 WRX STi Subie From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan Scolnick Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:48 PM To: Casey Wheeler; <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Cc: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: RE: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate / Gay Marriage "Fair Tax" Now there's an oxymoron, would that be the same dollar amount for each person? But then the poor are paying a disproportionate percentage of their income. This is probably ok, since the poor should pay more taxes since they use more services. OR Perhaps a fair tax would be the same percentage for each person, children included?, but then you have the dollar amount being "from each according to his contribution" and "to each according to his ability" - sounds kinda socialist. Or perhaps a graduated income tax is fair as then people are paying according to the opportunity they take advantage of. This is what I believe is fair. Just don't touch my mortgage deduction! Of course, wrt to gay "marriage" as it stands non-married couples have to pay what I suppose could be called a "FAIRY TAX", or if they are radical enough to want to adopt kids and raise them in a loving home a "FAERIE TAX" Dan ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Casey Wheeler Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:22 AM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Cc: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: Re: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate / Gay Marriage Fair tax solves these tax issues. It is quite wonderful because we do have to pay some level of taxes. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 27, 2009, at 10:05 AM, <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] wrote: In a message dated 9/27/2009 8:56:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] writes: Jerry you're so convoluted it's actually funny, I no longer have any interest in playing games with you because you change everything everyone else says to your side before you answer. That's the real problem Larry, We don't see things in the same way, because our programming, what we have learned, varies so much. That's why our Congressfolk have such a difficult time in working together. ...And THAT is what they must strive to overcome. When two parties have an argument, and one simply stops talking or responding, the communication is shut down and nothing gets done. This fact is the most compelling reason for MORE political parties in the USA. With more political parties, discussions are much more likely to continue, so eventually an acceptable resolution to problems or compromise on programs can be achieved. 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