Lights – agree on cold start ballasts, the cheapos from HD/Lowes
die after a winter or two. I work with a few electricians who can
get me decent pricing on some nice ones. I struggled with the best
way to do them last time, and went with 2 x 4’ along the sides, one
over the hood area and then separate over the workbench.
Air plumbing, agreed. I have a hose reel in the center of the
24x24 now, plus a loose hose to drag around as needed. What piping
would you use, PVC, black pipe or copper? I’ve heard pros and cons
for each….
Looked at a nice 30d x 60’w x 10’+ hip roof barn last night (oh,
there was a house there too).. short sale, so not sure it fits the
bill. 4 stalls, concrete.. a nice plain slate to start with but
the short sale means no immediate occupancy so shying away from it
unfortunately. It had ‘cool’ factor, and size was nice.. I liked
the 4 wide by 30’ setup, too. It’s still a possibility but not
very likely.
The garage is a workshop for motor-driven items, buddies do come
over on occasion (20% of the time maybe?). I want it to look nice
but it’s not a museum. Painted walls and floor (light reflectivity
and clean up considerations).. I should take some pics of my
current 2 stall before I pack it up as a reference.
Plywood walls, good idea. Having struggled with mounting things
that would be handy… or at least along the workbench/storage
walls. I did drywall in my current but no paint and it has
yellowed and was a pain to mount things too and hit studs.
Power – amen! In a 24x24, I had 5 per wall (3 high, 2 low…
something a buddy told me to do and I love.. high ones for grinders
and the like, low for fans and vacs). Workbench is 6’ and has 6
(switched). I also did 4 in the ceiling, next to the hose reel.
8’ ceiling allows me to plug in trouble lights high and route
anywhere I need them, with a high bay a cord reel will have to be
used but is a nice plan. I see the benefit of having them.
Casters – I put all my big stuff on them, too. Band saw, drill
press, table saw, rolling cart… makes it nice to roll it outside if
I want to make a huge mess cutting, etc. With a bigger garage that
may be less required, I hope.
Internet and phone, both necessities.. the PC is mounted on the
wall in a TV mount so you can swivel it as needed to read specs,
parts shop, whatever.. love that.
Dampened Air Comp box, yeah, I have an older Ing-Rand 5hp that is
loud as nuts when it runs. I was concerned with heat and
ventilation tho so I need to do some research before I do that. A
buddy has a 40x72, and he put the Air comp on the storage side and
piped it into the work bay.. you can’t even hear it run.
Good ideas, guys.. and the garage forum, nice! Some great
inspirational photos over there…
Keep it coming!
Wallyman
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]
] On Behalf Of Bill Cardell
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:31 PM
To: Wiseman, Curtis J
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Wally's future Garage-Mahal
Light is critical. spend a few extra bucks and get ballasts that
work in the cold, unless you will be heated all the time. Otherwise
you'll be buying new lights every year.
Bill Cardell
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:55 PM, "Wiseman, Curtis J" <[email protected]
> wrote:
Mark has some great ideas, especially for Northern climes (porous
floor, plywood).
It’s sort of like when somebody asks which FI system is best. The
choir chimes in to ask “how do you plan to use it?” Is your garage
a work space, a man-cave, a mother-in-law suite? Do you have
buddies over or work by yourself? Do you care what it looks like
or just how it functions?
Generic suggestion though: LOTS of light. You can always turn some
off if you want, but lots and lots of fluorescent fixtures make it
easier on aging eyes to see that @#*%$# fitting.
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]
] On Behalf Of Mark Cookson
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:36 PM
To: Ken Bogart
Cc: Miatapower ([email protected])
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Wally's future Garage-Mahal
Two things that I did that I really liked in my first garage:
Covered the walls in 3/8 plywood instead of drywall (mount anything
anywhere without worry)
Ran hard lines with air fittings about every 15' (about 8
connections) and had two retractable reels on the ceiling for
instant use; one air, one electric.
I also have a wash basin (but only cold water, might consider a
small hot water heater) and more power outlets than you can shake a
stick at, including one in the middle of the floor for the table saw.
My second garage has Internet and TV, and the previous owner had
flexible air lines that he took when he sold it.
Making a good sound dampening box for the air compressor would be
high on my list too.
I currently want to do something like those plastic floor tiles
that raise you up a quarter of an inch to let snow and water drain
below the working surface.
A lift or pit would be ideal, but my roof is too low and tearing up
my floor isn't really in the cards.
Enjoy!
Mark
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Ken Bogart <[email protected]>
wrote:
When I build mine.. I want the following:
- 2-post lift bay
- a walled and drained wash bay
- a work bay (machine tools, work bench)
- a room for hanging out with couch, tv, bar, bathroom
- open indoor area to park at least 6 cars
- a storage/parts area (in a loft?)
I figure this would have to be at least 2500sf or larger...
Ken Bogart
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Helsel, Walt <[email protected]>
wrote:
So, moving to a new home.. going to have either an existing or
built pole building for the car-addiction. Looking for those of
you with Garage-Mahals to chime in. Right now I am working out of
a 2 stall garage 24x24x8. Workbench in the front on a 5’ deep
raised stoop, wood heated, partially insulated. There is not
enough width for working on cars with crap along walls (crap being
a parts washer, bench grinder, shelving, etc) and it’s fairly
crowded with all the big stuff (woodstove, engine hoist, engine
stand, blast cabinet, drill press, band saw, table saw, 3 welders,
etc) that is all roaming the space. So, looking for suggestions
and advice from those of you that have dedicated hobby space…
Things you would do again
Things you regret doing
Layout suggestions
Storage ideas
Workbench ideas (location, layout, etc)
Anything else you think might be useful. I would love to go to a 2
post lift down the road so I want at least one high bay for that,
but for now I’m thinking something like this:
28’w x 40 (or 48’)’l x 14’h
2 stalls wide, with workshop in the front (away from the doors)
2 overhead doors on short end, 1 mandoor, some windows of some
variety for light.
Concrete floor and approach
220v electric
Water if I am lucky
Insulated and heated (Michigan winters)
Will be wired for music, internet and phone as well.
So, toss your ideas out.. I’m game to start figuring out how to set
up the future work space!
Wallyman
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