On 26 Jan 2008, at 19:07, Andy Mabbett wrote:

In message <0F667B0C-8A0D-4345-AF3B- [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jim O'Donnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes

letter-to-author is the relationship I'm really interested in

That sounds like a situation where you would use the putative "citation" microformat which will hopefully include an "author" or "creator" property, utilising hCard.

I'm thinking, at the moment, of avoiding hCard completely in the letters themselves, basically to avoid all the horrible issues of ambiguity and irregularity of names. For example, where Flinders signs this letter 'Matt'w Flinders' http://www.nmm.ac.uk/flinders/DisplayDocument.cfm? ID=110&CurrentPage=1&CurrentXMLPage=3 I'll just mark that link up using rel="tag", where the tag URL points to the biography currently at
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/flinders/ListPeople.cfm?ID=41
then use hCard to mark up Flinders as a person on that page. I think what I'm saying is have one hCard per person on the site, which is the biography page, then link to those hCards as tags within the letters. That seems a lot easier than faffing around with citations and different types of hCard.

In turn, such hCards could then use the proposed "definitive hCard", "more-detailed hCard" or "parent hCard" property (perhaps rel="expansion") to indicate the page 0or page-fragment, using an ID) on which your definitive biography of the author resides.

Thinking out loud here - I'm not hugely concerned about a definitive biography, as long as the relationships between documents at different URLs are clearly defined. For instance, suppose I have a biography, and hCard, for Flinders at /tags/people/Matthew_Flinders. I could have a link from that page to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Matthew_Flinders and mark it rel="me" to indicate that the two URLs describe the same person.

If my biography links to a letter, and that link says rel="creator", then I think it's reasonable for a parser to infer, from the rel="me" link, that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Flinders also describes the creator of the letter. I don't think I need to state that my hCard is definitive, only that it's equivalent to the one at wikipedia.

I suppose it would be interesting to have a mechanism to mark up equivalence in general, not just for people. For example, to link the description of Boston
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/flinders/ListPlaces.cfm?ID=6
to the wikipedia page for Boston
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston%2C_Lincolnshire
using whatever the equivalent of rel="me" would be for places. Ditto for pages describing vessels, if the vessel has a wikipedia page. Then, a letter tagged with a link to the short description of Boston would, indirectly, also be tagged with the wikipedia description, as well as being linked back to all references to that place in the archive.

Jim

Jim

Jim O'Donnell
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