On [May 22], at [ May 22] 7:46 , Martin McEvoy wrote:

Hmm It seems to me that the microformats community seems to find it
difficult to resolve the abbr design issue[1], its been over a year now?

This is difficult to solve because we lack the resources to do testing with screen reader users. The current pattern was established without such testing. If that was a mistake, let's not repeat it. (And if that wasn't a mistake, there's no need to change anything.)

I cant see why we cant accept the hAccessibility[2] solution and be done with it and just use a <span>, I believe most screen readers are not set
up to read out loud the @title on a span by default.

Has anyone tested this in various screen readers? If not, on what basis would we accept it?

Oh well hopefully the abbr issue can be resolved amicably this time
around as there seems to be a few "usable" resolutions[4], if not, lets
all talk about it again Next Year

I don't think talking about it more is helping much at this point. We're mostly rehashing the same ideas over and over again. What we need, and what Frances is asking for, is help testing these various ideas.

Peace,
Scott
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