On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Tantek Celik <[email protected]> wrote:
> Please add any hCard issues you feel have yet to be addressed to
>
> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-issues
>
> or feel free to add
>
> " * +1 [[User:yourwikiusernamehere]]"
>
> to any current issue(s)/resolution(s) you feel strongly about.
I will.
> Please also refrain from making reductio-ad-absurdum analogy arguments ("atom
> bomb") as they, just like instances of Godwin's law, do very little to
> constructively advance a discussion.
Let me just say that I don't want to engage in a private debate. I
feel the members of the mailing list would benefit more if you
attacked my argument in public [cf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdem].
Thanks,
-Sam
> Thanks,
>
> Tantek
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Samuel Richter" <[email protected]>
>
> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:32:45
> To: <[email protected]>; Microformats
> Discuss<[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCard slowing adoption of microformats?
>
>
> Your argument of a net-positive effect is compelling but, it makes
> sense to me to deal with the issues as they present themselves,
> perception being one of them. After all, the greater the
> net-positive, the more compelling microformats are to use. I feel we
> are not addressing the issues raised by hcard, specifically. Just
> saying they have a net-positive effect does not warm my heart. The
> atom bomb had a net-positive effect, too and now we're talking global
> disarmament.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -mephtu
>
> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Tantek Celik <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Such companies are already going to far greater extents to scrape anything
>> resembling contact information (without really caring about false positives
>> etc since as your quotes point out quantity is their game) from text, HTML
>> etc on the web using text entity recognizers etc.
>>
>> As long as you only markup already public information with hCard (or any
>> other microformat), the effect is negligible on such companies, while it
>> enables and benefits users and developers of user-centric apps, thus
>> providing a net positive effect.
>>
>> Tantek
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Samuel Richter" <[email protected]>
>>
>> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:48:38
>> To: Microformats Discuss<[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCard slowing adoption of microformats?
>>
>>
>> How's this...?
>>
>> Using gmail, I happened to spy a list of supported links, here's one of them:
>>
>> Custom Web Scraping
>> Data Extraction & Mining Service
>> Buy up to 20,000 Records for $75.00
>> RightHandMarketingManagement.com
>>
>> This reinforces the seriousness of the issue in my mind. If hCards
>> are used as indiscriminately as the data in these websites, it would
>> just pipeline the same information to companies of this ilk.
>>
>> -Sam
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:45 AM, David Janes <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Samuel Richter <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I read some blog posts this morning on microformats and a common
>>>> concern (and I feel a legitimate one) is the "scraping of hCard's from
>>>> web sites for future generations of spammers." I believe that fear,
>>>> if left unaddressed, will kill the microformat effort. Has there been
>>>> any discussion of this?
>>>
>>> You weren't going to fill us in on the URLs, were you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Janes
>>> Mercenary Programmer
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