Hello Andy I have enjoyed our debates over the weekend it was Interesting
.... On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 07:18 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: > >all I have to go on is the Field definition on the wiki > >http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-proposal#Track > >and the principles of designing microformats > >http://microformats.org/wiki/principles > > and the evidence. Thanks for getting to that :) I have Just finished a study on the haudio examples page, Gathering evidence so to speak I thought you may be Interested In the results... The Question was do our examples show real world usage of people using the word TRACK as a way to describe a single audio file? at first looking at the results of previous efforts provided buy Manu it would at first seem judging by the results that TRACK is widely used. In the Analysis of Music Services 85%: of the examples are using tracks wow a lot I thought, so i thought Ill have another look I'm wrong so it seems I want to know why? The first thing I spotted was that someone seems to have spammed the word "track" 100's of times all over our model examples and results, making them as far as i can see unusable, Vandalized almost Then I noticed this iTunes RSS extensions (http://www.apple.com/itunes/store/podcaststechspecs.html#_Toc526931673) * Properties: track title, album title, track sample, album genre, album cover image, track artist, track length, description, track release date, track format, track id, track summary, album owner, album owner e-mail, album website, album language, track tags, album licensing I have been a keen podcaster for years and TRACK does not exist in iTunes RSS so how do we get those properties? from a document with NO TRACK another Vorbis Comment Recommendations (http://reactor-core.org/ogg-tagging.html) * Properties: album artist, track title, album title, album label, album release date, track number, album genre, album cover image, track artist, track length, description, track release date, track album, track label, track genre, album license, track composer, track album title, track summary, track copyright, album part number, track cover image, track arranger, album comment, track location, album copyright, track disc number, album arranger, album isrc, album ensemble, track file type, album encoding, album ean/upn, track lyrics, track isrc, track conductor, track genres, track ensemble, album conductor, track part, track lyricist, track part number, album performer, album part, album version, track version, track comment, track opus, album author, track source media, album composer, track encoding, track encoded-by, track author, track performer, track label number, album location, track tags, album disc number, track ean/upn, track license, album encoded-by, album lyricist, track creators, album source media, album label catalog number, album opus WTF TRACK does not exist in Vorbis Comments either TRACKNUMBER YES as a Decimal So my own study I looked at every example manualy by hand, using Firefox do the examples show people using track? http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples Speech http://www.microformats.org/blog/2005/09/30/web-essentials-audio/ NO 1 http://chris.pirillo.com/help/20060119_chuck_cummins_on_windows_vista_interface_design.phtml NO 2 http://yukelzon.blogspot.com/2006/01/podcasts.html NO 3 http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/2006/01/12/egc-clambake-for-january-12-2006/ NO 4 http://www.bizbyjake.com/2006/01/how-are-you-doing.html NO 5 http://btpodshow.com/shows/?mode=detail&episode_id=56539 NO 6 http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11455_7-6457370-1.html NO 7 http://podcast.rubyonrails.org/ NO 8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Music Individual Publishing of Music http://www.bradsucks.net/music/ NO 9 http://www.scottandrew.com/music/ NO 10 http://www.hearingdouble.co.uk/dumb/index2.html UNAVAILABLE _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Music Podcasting http://www.coverville.com/ NO 11 http://magnatune.com/podcasts/details/magnatune_middle-eastern_podcast_2006_12_14 NO 12 http://www.mutantpop.net/radioclash/archives/2007/03/24/rc-113/ NO 13 http://btpodshow.com/shows/?mode=detail&episode_id=56721 NO 14 http://indiecastwp.podshow.com/?p=76 NO 15 http://www.accidenthash.com/2007/04/02/gray-wet-yuck-monday/ NO 16 http://veercast.com/2007/05/31/episode-20-tranforming-you-into-stds-since-1983/ NO 17 http://threehive.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=111596 NO 18 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mashups, remixes, cut-ups and audio-collages http://viprhealthcare.typepad.com/mashup_of_the_week_podcas/ NO 19 http://bannedmusic.org/ UNAVAILABLE http://illegalart.org/ NO MEDIA AVAILABLE http://ccmixter.org/media/view/media/playlists NO 20 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Top Lists (Charts) http://top40.about.com/od/onthecharts/tp/top071007.htm NO 21 http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/G/greatest/albums/results.html NO 22 http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles.shtml NO 23 http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/downloads.shtml NO 24 http://www.amazon.co.uk/2007s-Best-Singles-So-Far/lm/R1DMGDL2WC6DEK NO 25 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/other-indexes/freaky-triggers-top-100-songs-of-all-time/ NO 26 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/other-indexes/freaky-triggers-top-100-songs-of-all-time/ NO 27 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_in_English_labeled_the_best_ever NOT FOUND http://billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=The +Billboard+Hot+100 NO 28 http://www.nme.com/reviews/tracks/oftheyear USES TRACKS to mean a collection http://www.hearya.com/2007/02/14/top-100-indie-songs-of-all-time/ NO 29 http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5938174/the_rs_500_greatest_albums_of_all_time/ NO 30 http://www.theofficialcharts.com/top40_singles.php NO 31 http://www.everyhit.com/worstever.html NO 32 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Service Publishing of Music http://audiofind.ru/music/album/-/Lost%20Angel/Destination/?id=591 NO 33 http://bigpondmusic.com/Album/The-Decemberists/The-Crane-Wife.aspx YES 1 http://www.bitmunk.com/view/media/6068744 YES 2 http://www.downloadpunk.com/?webaction=AlbumDetail&albumid=13202 NO 34 http://www.fye.com/Not-Too-Late-Music_stcVVproductId7456462VVcatId458211VVviewprod.htm YES 3 http://imusic.libero.it/compilation.php?icom_id=105902&ptipo=pus&pid=171437 NO 35 http://www.omds.de/servlets/2452685121527Dispatch/31/Call?htmltemplate=./album/viewalbum.htm&lmtype=ALBUM&albumid=2310333 NO 36 http://musik.tdconline.dk/servlets/2452306090224Dispatch/19/call?htmltemplate=./album/viewalbum.htm&albumid=10783647 NO 37 http://www.audiolunchbox.com/album?a=75751 NO 38 http://chaos.com/product.asp?intProductID=739720&intArtistID=167488 Track Listing YES 4 http://store.connect-europe.com/albumDetailPage.do?albumId=3260785 UNAVAILABLE (LINUX) http://www.digirama.co.nz/AlbumDetailsFeature.aspx?MediaID=578456 YES 5 http://www-v3.emusic.com/album/10917/10917324.html UNAVAILABLE http://www.fnacmusic.com/album/7088f214-6187-4845-afdc-6391e103f67d.aspx NO 39 http://www.misrolas.com/downloadmusic/album.php?id=1316 NO 40 http://www.mtv.co.uk/shop/downloads NO 41 http://musica360.com/ DEAD 42 http://www.musicload.de/item.ml?releaseid=1884260_2 NO 43 http://free.napster.com/view/album/index.html?id=12376484 YES 6 http://www.partymob.com/edl/details/default.aspx?album=2089814 NO 44 http://www2.peerimpact.com/contentstorage-xml/album30.do?templateName=WEB-INF/conversion-templates/album30.vm&albumId=89449 DEAD 45 http://www.puretracks.com/catalog/details.aspx?pid=warner_093624992899 USES TRACKS COLECTION 7 http://www.reggaecountry.com/shop/ItemInfo.aspx?AlbumID=10007 NO 46 http://www.rhapsody.com/harryconnickjr/chansonduvieuxcarrconnickonpiano3 YES 8 http://www.ruckus.com/ruckus/music/album.do?albumId=1405034 YES 9 http://www.sanity.com.au/product/product.asp?sku=2100360 YES 10 http://www.thecellcity.com/music/index.php?command=productquery&department=music§ion=R+%26+B+and+Hip+Hop&startrecord=14&numrecords=13&cdmnomimematch=y&order=Rating NO 47 http://www.top100.cn/ NO 48 http://www.wippit.com/GenreArtist.aspx?StrCatId=20&StrCatType=S UNAVAILABLE http://yanga.ru/music/album/-/Duke%20Ellington/Jack%20The% 20Bear/?id=28510 YES as a list 11 http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/ammonite-recon/ NO 49 http://www.songfight.org/artistpage.php?key=15-16_puzzle&sortkey=date NO 50 http://www.yes.com/ NO 51 http://myspace.com/theradioknives NO 52 http://musicbrainz.org/release/1138abc1-77f4-4ba9-900d-5cf52baaf4bf.html NO 53 http://reactor-core.org/ogg-tagging.html NO but Not MUSIC ? http://www.apple.com/itunes/store/podcaststechspecs.html#_Toc526931673 NO NOT MUSIC ? http://www.discogs.com/release/705805 YES as a LIST 12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In-active Music Services NONE Anylized -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Discographies http://soundtrackcollector.net/catalog/soundtrackdetail.php?movieid=9659 YES 13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_side_of_the_moon YES 14 100% YES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Result 21% of 67 available examples DO use Track or Tracklist 89% of 67 available examples DO NOT use Track or Tracklist ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Im truthfully appaled that Our Model that we found all our debates on Is wildly inaccurate? I Really dont think that we can have a clear Idea of what hAudio is Until our our examples are re-studied without the use of a program. But really who is going to do that? not me? again? I have No Intrest now Do what you will I wont be using hAudio Martin > > [...] _______________________________________________ microformats-new mailing list [email protected] http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new
