Simon,
> On Oct 27, 2025, at 7:11 AM, srbrown via Mifnet <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> A fully loaded A320 would have little trouble either, as Eric has alluded to.
> We flew to the Canary Islands from Leeds-Bradford which was only about 500ft
> longer. I think an A321 might be ok too but I'd have to check my books on
> that.
There’s a huge difference, however, which is that LBA to the Canary Islands
doesn’t require ETOPS, whereas BUR-Hawaii requires not just ETOPS but
180-minute ETOPS. United looked at flying the A320 (CEO version) to Hawaii from
California and decided that it was too sketchy. I think the worst case was loss
of pressurization (but both engines still running) at the point of equal time.
Fuel burn at low altitude with both engines running for well over three hours
was horrible.
They considered flying the A321neo to Hawaii and did one proving run but again
decided that with adequate fuel reserves it was too close to the edge.
The A321neo aircraft that United is purchasing have PW1100G engines but next
year they will start taking leased examples with LEAP-1A engines
and—critically—an ACT (auxiliary center tank, or maybe it’s cargo). This
sub-fleet will likely go to Hawaii.
>
> You almost certainly wouldn't fly back into BUR if you lost an engine after
> take off but that's a separate issue, coincidentally linked to the thread
> regarding the YouTube output of Captain “Steeeeeve”. I'm no longer a huge fan
> of pilot "Steeeve". Like Doug, I used to think he put in a fairly balanced
> and measured take on things but I went off his output several months ago ...
Same here.
> To explain further, he made a big deal out of how the pilots with that
> particular engine failure would suddenly have to do some serious decision
> making about returning to BUR or finding somewhere longer but I think this is
> nonsense. In most flight decks those decisions would (should) have already
> been made and discussed in considerable detail in the pre-departure brief.
I didn’t see that video but your assessment sounds spot on. He’s a 777 captain
so I’d expect him to know that. Sheesh.
-- Karl
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