Tsk! Tsk! Just how big is your ivory hoard Chris!
On 16 Jan, 16:38, "Chris Jenkins" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm a member of People Eating Tasty Animals...
> Oh, is this the wrong room? My bad...
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Molly Brogan <
>
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "In a media driven world PETA knows that antics get attention. It does
> > raise awareness though about consideration of other species than than
> > just humans. Thats not all bad."
>
> > Yes, but is it ETHICAL. If the organization is going to use the word
> > as part of its name, it ought to live up to its name.
>
> > On Jan 15, 9:08 am, bruce ralph <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > In a media driven world PETA knows that antics get attention. It does
> > > raise awareness though about consideration of other species than than
> > > just humans. Thats not all bad. The one thing that must be learned is
> > > that larger individuals of a population are important to the health of
> > > a species. This was just underlined in the last couple of days in an
> > > international report.
>
> > > On Jan 15, 8:48 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I think ethics in a huge way has given way to antics, especially in
> > > > government. If you think about it, much of the past decade has been
> > > > quite entertaining, at our expense of course.
>
> > > > On Jan 15, 1:33 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Ethics is also held to be core in deconstruction. The idea here
> > > > > (mounds of waffle later) is to do one's best with what is
> > > > > undecidable. I worked in a university in which the boss promised
> > > > > empowerment, only to deny she had ever used the word once she
> > realised
> > > > > most of us thought it was a very jaded buzz word, a managerialist
> > > > > rhetoric serving only to suppress us with fine words, promises and
> > the
> > > > > confusion of "governmentality". Molly has an interesting tilt at the
> > > > > motivation of the lobster version of Free Willy above and the
> > creation
> > > > > of conditions of possibility for decent, free action. I'm afraid I
> > go
> > > > > back to openness and accountability in these areas. the need not to
> > be
> > > > > suckered by rhetoric and promises and to account for selfishness in
> > > > > our systems (public choice theories etc.) In Animal Farm, Snowball
> > > > > made it through a hole in the hedge and we could do with him back.
>
> > > > > On 15 Jan, 03:36, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > "uh oh!"???
>
> > > > > > It IS interesting that today was the first day in over a year that
> > I
> > > > > > listened to the recording of a retreat I participated in in 2004
> > while
> > > > > > traveling on public transit. It was Alan Wallace. And, one of the
> > > > > > central points he made was that at the heart of almost all Buddhism
> > is
> > > > > > ethics. ….I won't do the analysis nor detail…but it is of note in
> > my
> > > > > > way of thinking.
>
> > > > > > On Jan 14, 4:15 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Well put and I guess that covers the many aspects of compassion.
> > Orn?
> > > > > > > uh oh! lol
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 14, 4:08 pm, frantheman <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > A basic teaching in the Buddhist tradition (Orn knows a lot
> > more about
> > > > > > > > this than I) is that compassion is followed, appropriately, by
> > right
> > > > > > > > action. Sometimes - as Molly has pointed out - right action is
> > no
> > > > > > > > action, because no action is appropriate. Part of the suffering
> > of
> > > > > > > > life, which is not alleviated by compassion, is the realisation
> > that
> > > > > > > > one is frequently powerless in the face of suffering.
> > Discernment is
> > > > > > > > important in this context. As a wise man once commented to me;
> > There
> > > > > > > > are problems you cannot SOLVE, and there are problems YOU
> > cannot
> > > > > > > > solve. But the capacity for compassion is one of the things
> > that makes
> > > > > > > > us human.
>
> > > > > > > > Francis
>
> > > > > > > > On 14 Jan., 21:09, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > I can see your point based upon webster and so I would sum it
> > up as
> > > > > > > > > the Awareness precedes the Emotion which precedes the Act,
> > should one
> > > > > > > > > decide to take action. However, if one can Have Compassion
> > without
> > > > > > > > > Showing Compassion (in action) then there really isn't much
> > to say
> > > > > > > > > about the persons compassion. Technically I guess there
> > would be
> > > > > > > > > circumstances where it is impossible to act as in Natural
> > Disasters
> > > > > > > > > afar (but I could send money). But what I'm trying to say is
> > that if
> > > > > > > > > a person were standing across from someone who was suffering,
> > had the
> > > > > > > > > ability to alleviate the suffering but chose not to alleviate
> > the
> > > > > > > > > suffering then having compassion seems a moot point. It
> > seems to me
> > > > > > > > > that when action is possible then the Emotion and the Act
> > become one
> > > > > > > > > in the same. I guess there is a difference between Having
> > Compassion
> > > > > > > > > and Showing Compassion. One person could say to the other
> > "Don't you
> > > > > > > > > have any Compassion?" the other replies "Yes of
> > course"........"Then
> > > > > > > > > why aren't you showing it?" What could the answer possibly
> > be except
> > > > > > > > > the "Other" does Not really have Compassion.
> > > > > > > > > OK so I will concede to Fran on this one as Compassion being
> > the
> > > > > > > > > awareness of and feeling of another's suffering. (even if I
> > don't do
> > > > > > > > > anything and let the person drop dead).
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 1:01 pm, Molly Brogan <
> > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > The Merriam-Webster Unabridged definition of compassion is:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Main Entry: 1com·pas·sion Pronunciation Guide
> > > > > > > > > > Pronunciation: kschwamprimarystresspashschwan, -aash-,
> > -aish-
> > > > > > > > > > Function: noun
> > > > > > > > > > Inflected Form(s): -s
> > > > > > > > > > Etymology: Middle English compassioun, from Middle French
> > or Late
> > > > > > > > > > Latin; Middle French compassion, from Late Latin
> > compassion-,
> > > > > > > > > > compassio, from compassus (past participle of compati to
> > have
> > > > > > > > > > compassion, from Latin com- + pati to bear, suffer) +
> > -ion-, -io -ion
> > > > > > > > > > -- more at PATIENT
> > > > > > > > > > : deep feeling for and understanding of misery or suffering
> > and the
> > > > > > > > > > concomitant desire to promote its alleviation : spiritual
> > > > > > > > > > consciousness of the personal tragedy of another or others
> > and
> > > > > > > > > > selfless tenderness directed toward it <to have compassion
> > on a
> > > > > > > > > > person> <with compassion (so different from pity) she shows
> > the sordid
> > > > > > > > > > impact of this convict settlement on the lives of the
> > natives -- Sarah
> > > > > > > > > > Campion>
> > > > > > > > > > synonym see SYMPATHY
>
> > > > > > > > > > Looks like I have to go with Francis on this one, Slip.
> > Compassion is
> > > > > > > > > > the feeling or understanding. If we act on that, it is an
> > act of
> > > > > > > > > > compassion. Like an act of love, it is not the love
> > itself, but an
> > > > > > > > > > action based on the feeling of love.
>
> > > > > > > > > > As a sidebar, anyone can post crap to Wikipedia, and I
> > don't really
> > > > > > > > > > use that as a credible source, although I do check it from
> > time to
> > > > > > > > > > time just to get a lead on what might be a real credible
> > source.
>
> > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that this woman's action was based more on
> > her need to
> > > > > > > > > > belong to a group whose cause is more compassionate
> > treatment of
> > > > > > > > > > animals and other creatures, than any real compassion or
> > act of
> > > > > > > > > > compassion for the creature itself. Getting publicity for
> > the group
> > > > > > > > > > by this kind of grandstanding is good for the group's
> > promotion!
> > > > > > > > > > Important, when your cause is positioned against something.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Whether or not we can actually alleviate another's
> > suffering is
> > > > > > > > > > different question. We can certainly establish the
> > physical
> > > > > > > > > > conditions to promote alleviation, but ultimately, it is up
> > to each
> > > > > > > > > > individual to access, accept, allow or assimilate the
> > conditions.
> > > > > > > > > > This is why our compassion stops at our desire, and often
> > breaks our
> > > > > > > > > > own heart when it is not enough. Conversely, we cannot
> > empower
> > > > > > > > > > another. We can create the conditions optimal for a person
> > to empower
> > > > > > > > > > themselves, but ultimately it is up to each of us alone to
> > choose to
> > > > > > > > > > utilize the conditions that will empower us.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Jan 13, 6:54 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Compassion is a profound human emotion prompted by the
> > pain of others.
> > > > > > > > > > > More vigorous than empathy, the feeling commonly gives
> > rise to an
> > > > > > > > > > > "active desire to alleviate another's suffering."<<
> > wikipedia first
> > > > > > > > > > > sentence.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > It does go on to say>It is often, though not inevitably,
> > the key
> > > > > > > > > > > component in what manifests in the social context as
> > altruism.
> > > > > > > > > > > In "ethical" terms, the various expressions down the ages
> > of the so-
> > > > > > > > > > > called Golden Rule embody by implication the principle of
> > compassion:
> > > > > > > > > > > Do to others as you would have done to you. Ranked a
> > great virtue in
> > > > > > > > > > > numerous philosophies, compassion is considered in all
> > the major
>
> ...
>
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