Your both starting to gross me out! lol
On Jan 18, 7:24 pm, "Chris Jenkins" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> *laughing*
> Too far is my middle name, mate.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:33 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Ewwe! An information glob too far mate!
>
> > On 18 Jan, 18:38, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > No' as big as me hoary arse...
>
> > > [ Attached Message ]From:archytas <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds
> > Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 18 Jan 2009 07:03:17 -0800
> > (PST)Local:Sun 18 Jan 2009 15:03Subject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Moronic Human
> > Compassion
>
> > > Tsk! Tsk! Just how big is your ivory hoard Chris!
>
> > > On 16 Jan, 16:38, "Chris Jenkins" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I'm a member of People Eating Tasty Animals...
> > > > Oh, is this the wrong room? My bad...
>
> > > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Molly Brogan <
>
> > > > [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > "In a media driven world PETA knows that antics get attention. It
> > does
> > > > > raise awareness though about consideration of other species than than
> > > > > just humans. Thats not all bad."
>
> > > > > Yes, but is it ETHICAL. If the organization is going to use the word
> > > > > as part of its name, it ought to live up to its name.
>
> > > > > On Jan 15, 9:08 am, bruce ralph <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > In a media driven world PETA knows that antics get attention. It
> > does
> > > > > > raise awareness though about consideration of other species than
> > than
> > > > > > just humans. Thats not all bad. The one thing that must be learned
> > is
> > > > > > that larger individuals of a population are important to the health
> > of
> > > > > > a species. This was just underlined in the last couple of days in
> > an
> > > > > > international report.
>
> > > > > > On Jan 15, 8:48 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I think ethics in a huge way has given way to antics, especially
> > in
> > > > > > > government. If you think about it, much of the past decade has
> > been
> > > > > > > quite entertaining, at our expense of course.
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 15, 1:33 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Ethics is also held to be core in deconstruction. The idea
> > here
> > > > > > > > (mounds of waffle later) is to do one's best with what is
> > > > > > > > undecidable. I worked in a university in which the boss
> > promised
> > > > > > > > empowerment, only to deny she had ever used the word once she
> > > > > realised
> > > > > > > > most of us thought it was a very jaded buzz word, a
> > managerialist
> > > > > > > > rhetoric serving only to suppress us with fine words, promises
> > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > confusion of "governmentality". Molly has an interesting tilt
> > at the
> > > > > > > > motivation of the lobster version of Free Willy above and the
> > > > > creation
> > > > > > > > of conditions of possibility for decent, free action. I'm
> > afraid I
> > > > > go
> > > > > > > > back to openness and accountability in these areas. the need
> > not to
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > suckered by rhetoric and promises and to account for
> > selfishness in
> > > > > > > > our systems (public choice theories etc.) In Animal Farm,
> > Snowball
> > > > > > > > made it through a hole in the hedge and we could do with him
> > back.
>
> > > > > > > > On 15 Jan, 03:36, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > "uh oh!"???
>
> > > > > > > > > It IS interesting that today was the first day in over a year
> > that
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > listened to the recording of a retreat I participated in in
> > 2004
> > > > > while
> > > > > > > > > traveling on public transit. It was Alan Wallace. And, one of
> > the
> > > > > > > > > central points he made was that at the heart of almost all
> > Buddhism
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > ethics. ….I won't do the analysis nor detail…but it is of
> > note in
> > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > way of thinking.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 4:15 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Well put and I guess that covers the many aspects of
> > compassion.
> > > > > Orn?
> > > > > > > > > > uh oh! lol
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 4:08 pm, frantheman <
> > [email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > A basic teaching in the Buddhist tradition (Orn knows a
> > lot
> > > > > more about
> > > > > > > > > > > this than I) is that compassion is followed,
> > appropriately, by
> > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > > > action. Sometimes - as Molly has pointed out - right
> > action is
> > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > action, because no action is appropriate. Part of the
> > suffering
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > life, which is not alleviated by compassion, is the
> > realisation
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > one is frequently powerless in the face of suffering.
> > > > > Discernment is
> > > > > > > > > > > important in this context. As a wise man once commented
> > to me;
> > > > > There
> > > > > > > > > > > are problems you cannot SOLVE, and there are problems YOU
> > > > > cannot
> > > > > > > > > > > solve. But the capacity for compassion is one of the
> > things
> > > > > that makes
> > > > > > > > > > > us human.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Francis
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On 14 Jan., 21:09, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > I can see your point based upon webster and so I would
> > sum it
> > > > > up as
> > > > > > > > > > > > the Awareness precedes the Emotion which precedes the
> > Act,
> > > > > should one
> > > > > > > > > > > > decide to take action. However, if one can Have
> > Compassion
> > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > > > Showing Compassion (in action) then there really isn't
> > much
> > > > > to say
> > > > > > > > > > > > about the persons compassion. Technically I guess
> > there
> > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > > > circumstances where it is impossible to act as in
> > Natural
> > > > > Disasters
> > > > > > > > > > > > afar (but I could send money). But what I'm trying to
> > say is
> > > > > that if
> > > > > > > > > > > > a person were standing across from someone who was
> > suffering,
> > > > > had the
> > > > > > > > > > > > ability to alleviate the suffering but chose not to
> > alleviate
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > suffering then having compassion seems a moot point.
> > It
> > > > > seems to me
> > > > > > > > > > > > that when action is possible then the Emotion and the
> > Act
> > > > > become one
> > > > > > > > > > > > in the same. I guess there is a difference between
> > Having
> > > > > Compassion
> > > > > > > > > > > > and Showing Compassion. One person could say to the
> > other
> > > > > "Don't you
> > > > > > > > > > > > have any Compassion?" the other replies "Yes of
> > > > > course"........"Then
> > > > > > > > > > > > why aren't you showing it?" What could the answer
> > possibly
> > > > > be except
> > > > > > > > > > > > the "Other" does Not really have Compassion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > OK so I will concede to Fran on this one as Compassion
> > being
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > awareness of and feeling of another's suffering. (even
> > if I
> > > > > don't do
> > > > > > > > > > > > anything and let the person drop dead).
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 1:01 pm, Molly Brogan <
> > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Merriam-Webster Unabridged definition of
> > compassion is:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Main Entry: 1com·pas·sion Pronunciation Guide
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pronunciation: kschwamprimarystresspashschwan,
> > -aash-,
> > > > > -aish-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Function: noun
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Inflected Form(s): -s
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Etymology: Middle English compassioun, from Middle
> > French
> > > > > or Late
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Latin; Middle French compassion, from Late Latin
> > > > > compassion-,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > compassio, from compassus (past participle of compati
> > to
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion, from Latin com- + pati to bear, suffer) +
> > > > > -ion-, -io -ion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- more at PATIENT
> > > > > > > > > > > > > : deep feeling for and understanding of misery or
> > suffering
> > > > > and the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > concomitant desire to promote its alleviation :
> > spiritual
> > > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness of the personal tragedy of another or
> > others
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > selfless tenderness directed toward it <to have
> > compassion
> > > > > on a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > person> <with compassion (so different from pity) she
> > shows
> > > > > the sordid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > impact of this convict settlement on the lives of the
> > > > > natives -- Sarah
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Campion>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > synonym see SYMPATHY
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Looks like I have to go with Francis on this one,
> > Slip.
> > > > > Compassion is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the feeling or understanding. If we act on that, it
> > is an
> > > > > act of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion. Like an act of love, it is not the love
> > > > > itself, but an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > action based on the feeling of love.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > As a sidebar, anyone can post crap to Wikipedia, and
> > I
> > > > > don't really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > use that as a credible source, although I do check it
> > from
> > > > > time to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > time just to get a lead on what might be a real
> > credible
> > > > > source.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that this woman's action was based
> > more on
> > > > > her need to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > belong to a group whose cause is more compassionate
> > > > > treatment of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > animals and other creatures, than any real compassion
> > or
> > > > > act of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion for the creature itself. Getting
> > publicity for
> > > > > the group
>
> ...
>
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