*laughing* Too far is my middle name, mate. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:33 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Ewwe! An information glob too far mate! > > On 18 Jan, 18:38, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > No' as big as me hoary arse... > > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:archytas <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds > Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 18 Jan 2009 07:03:17 -0800 > (PST)Local:Sun 18 Jan 2009 15:03Subject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Moronic Human > Compassion > > > > Tsk! Tsk! Just how big is your ivory hoard Chris! > > > > On 16 Jan, 16:38, "Chris Jenkins" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I'm a member of People Eating Tasty Animals... > > > Oh, is this the wrong room? My bad... > > > > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Molly Brogan < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > "In a media driven world PETA knows that antics get attention. It > does > > > > raise awareness though about consideration of other species than than > > > > just humans. Thats not all bad." > > > > > > Yes, but is it ETHICAL. If the organization is going to use the word > > > > as part of its name, it ought to live up to its name. > > > > > > On Jan 15, 9:08 am, bruce ralph <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In a media driven world PETA knows that antics get attention. It > does > > > > > raise awareness though about consideration of other species than > than > > > > > just humans. Thats not all bad. The one thing that must be learned > is > > > > > that larger individuals of a population are important to the health > of > > > > > a species. This was just underlined in the last couple of days in > an > > > > > international report. > > > > > > > On Jan 15, 8:48 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I think ethics in a huge way has given way to antics, especially > in > > > > > > government. If you think about it, much of the past decade has > been > > > > > > quite entertaining, at our expense of course. > > > > > > > > On Jan 15, 1:33 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ethics is also held to be core in deconstruction. The idea > here > > > > > > > (mounds of waffle later) is to do one's best with what is > > > > > > > undecidable. I worked in a university in which the boss > promised > > > > > > > empowerment, only to deny she had ever used the word once she > > > > realised > > > > > > > most of us thought it was a very jaded buzz word, a > managerialist > > > > > > > rhetoric serving only to suppress us with fine words, promises > and > > > > the > > > > > > > confusion of "governmentality". Molly has an interesting tilt > at the > > > > > > > motivation of the lobster version of Free Willy above and the > > > > creation > > > > > > > of conditions of possibility for decent, free action. I'm > afraid I > > > > go > > > > > > > back to openness and accountability in these areas. the need > not to > > > > be > > > > > > > suckered by rhetoric and promises and to account for > selfishness in > > > > > > > our systems (public choice theories etc.) In Animal Farm, > Snowball > > > > > > > made it through a hole in the hedge and we could do with him > back. > > > > > > > > > On 15 Jan, 03:36, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "uh oh!"??? > > > > > > > > > > It IS interesting that today was the first day in over a year > that > > > > I > > > > > > > > listened to the recording of a retreat I participated in in > 2004 > > > > while > > > > > > > > traveling on public transit. It was Alan Wallace. And, one of > the > > > > > > > > central points he made was that at the heart of almost all > Buddhism > > > > is > > > > > > > > ethics. ….I won't do the analysis nor detail…but it is of > note in > > > > my > > > > > > > > way of thinking. > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 4:15 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well put and I guess that covers the many aspects of > compassion. > > > > Orn? > > > > > > > > > uh oh! lol > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 4:08 pm, frantheman < > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > A basic teaching in the Buddhist tradition (Orn knows a > lot > > > > more about > > > > > > > > > > this than I) is that compassion is followed, > appropriately, by > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > action. Sometimes - as Molly has pointed out - right > action is > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > action, because no action is appropriate. Part of the > suffering > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > life, which is not alleviated by compassion, is the > realisation > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > one is frequently powerless in the face of suffering. > > > > Discernment is > > > > > > > > > > important in this context. As a wise man once commented > to me; > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > are problems you cannot SOLVE, and there are problems YOU > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > solve. But the capacity for compassion is one of the > things > > > > that makes > > > > > > > > > > us human. > > > > > > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > > > > > > On 14 Jan., 21:09, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can see your point based upon webster and so I would > sum it > > > > up as > > > > > > > > > > > the Awareness precedes the Emotion which precedes the > Act, > > > > should one > > > > > > > > > > > decide to take action. However, if one can Have > Compassion > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > Showing Compassion (in action) then there really isn't > much > > > > to say > > > > > > > > > > > about the persons compassion. Technically I guess > there > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > > circumstances where it is impossible to act as in > Natural > > > > Disasters > > > > > > > > > > > afar (but I could send money). But what I'm trying to > say is > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > a person were standing across from someone who was > suffering, > > > > had the > > > > > > > > > > > ability to alleviate the suffering but chose not to > alleviate > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > suffering then having compassion seems a moot point. > It > > > > seems to me > > > > > > > > > > > that when action is possible then the Emotion and the > Act > > > > become one > > > > > > > > > > > in the same. I guess there is a difference between > Having > > > > Compassion > > > > > > > > > > > and Showing Compassion. One person could say to the > other > > > > "Don't you > > > > > > > > > > > have any Compassion?" the other replies "Yes of > > > > course"........"Then > > > > > > > > > > > why aren't you showing it?" What could the answer > possibly > > > > be except > > > > > > > > > > > the "Other" does Not really have Compassion. > > > > > > > > > > > OK so I will concede to Fran on this one as Compassion > being > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > awareness of and feeling of another's suffering. (even > if I > > > > don't do > > > > > > > > > > > anything and let the person drop dead). > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 1:01 pm, Molly Brogan < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Merriam-Webster Unabridged definition of > compassion is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main Entry: 1com·pas·sion Pronunciation Guide > > > > > > > > > > > > Pronunciation: kschwamprimarystresspashschwan, > -aash-, > > > > -aish- > > > > > > > > > > > > Function: noun > > > > > > > > > > > > Inflected Form(s): -s > > > > > > > > > > > > Etymology: Middle English compassioun, from Middle > French > > > > or Late > > > > > > > > > > > > Latin; Middle French compassion, from Late Latin > > > > compassion-, > > > > > > > > > > > > compassio, from compassus (past participle of compati > to > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion, from Latin com- + pati to bear, suffer) + > > > > -ion-, -io -ion > > > > > > > > > > > > -- more at PATIENT > > > > > > > > > > > > : deep feeling for and understanding of misery or > suffering > > > > and the > > > > > > > > > > > > concomitant desire to promote its alleviation : > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness of the personal tragedy of another or > others > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > selfless tenderness directed toward it <to have > compassion > > > > on a > > > > > > > > > > > > person> <with compassion (so different from pity) she > shows > > > > the sordid > > > > > > > > > > > > impact of this convict settlement on the lives of the > > > > natives -- Sarah > > > > > > > > > > > > Campion> > > > > > > > > > > > > synonym see SYMPATHY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looks like I have to go with Francis on this one, > Slip. > > > > Compassion is > > > > > > > > > > > > the feeling or understanding. If we act on that, it > is an > > > > act of > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion. Like an act of love, it is not the love > > > > itself, but an > > > > > > > > > > > > action based on the feeling of love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a sidebar, anyone can post crap to Wikipedia, and > I > > > > don't really > > > > > > > > > > > > use that as a credible source, although I do check it > from > > > > time to > > > > > > > > > > > > time just to get a lead on what might be a real > credible > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that this woman's action was based > more on > > > > her need to > > > > > > > > > > > > belong to a group whose cause is more compassionate > > > > treatment of > > > > > > > > > > > > animals and other creatures, than any real compassion > or > > > > act of > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion for the creature itself. Getting > publicity for > > > > the group > > > > > > > > > > > > by this kind of grandstanding is good for the group's > > > > promotion! > > > > > > > > > > > > Important, when your cause is positioned against > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether or not we can actually alleviate another's > > > > suffering is > > > > > > > > > > > > different question. We can certainly establish the > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > conditions to promote alleviation, but ultimately, it > is up > > > > to each > > > > > > > > > > > > individual to access, accept, allow or assimilate the > > > > conditions. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why our compassion stops at our desire, and > often > > > > breaks our > > > > > > > > > > > > own heart when it is not enough. Conversely, we > cannot > > > > empower > > > > > > > > > > > > another. We can create the conditions optimal for a > person > > > > to empower > > > > > > > > > > > > themselves, but ultimately it is up to each of us > alone to > > > > choose to > > > > > > > > > > > > utilize the conditions that will empower us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 13, 6:54 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Compassion is a profound human emotion prompted by > the > > > > pain of others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > More vigorous than empathy, the feeling commonly > gives > > > > rise to an > > > > > > > > > > > > > "active desire to alleviate another's suffering."<< > > > > wikipedia first > > > > > > > > > > > > > sentence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does go on to say>It is often, though not > inevitably, > > > > the key > > > > > > > > > > > > > component in what manifests in the social context > as > > > > altruism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In "ethical" terms, the various expressions down > the ages > > > > of the so- > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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