Heisenberg didn't prove anything - like much physics this was based on thought experiment. The web of relations or network of events is well established in AN Whitehead. What the 'mere act of observation' does is up for grabs - maybe it creates a myriad of other universes (Deutsch) or we are still have problems with accuracy and the way we construe observation. I suspect, though, that you are right. I haven't met Sir Vasudhaiv Kutumbakam - unless he was that leg spinner who always gave me problems playing the Asian League. One might well ask what the feck we are doing in all this vastness we can't even travel in. There is research about, and it certainly seems we have made decisions before we are aware of them. I never feel separate from my environment, but one needs to crawl under a rock from time to time in order to think. Flatulent ignition sadly carries the day, with some practitioners so poor they end up in ER.
Quantum tunnelling - which I associate with 1920's theories of hydrogen converting to helium might be a reasonable metaphor for openness between people and the universe - some kind of entangled networking leading to profound level-changes in us all. We are showing signs of being better able to shift temperatures by millions of degrees than in shifting the topographies of society. On 25 Jan, 17:13, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Is that it? Are there no scientific data demonstrating the existence > or not of mental capacity, the transition of subconscious to reality? > What of Edgar Cayce, Uri Geller, Randi, Libet, Esp, telekinesis, > psychic phenomena, apparitions, stigmata and the many discussions > taken place here regarding these issues? Have we reached the point of > burnout or has rationale become so finite as to totally dismiss on the > basis of disbelief or absurdity? Is there any correlation between > Jung's Shadow concept and that of Murphy's presentation? Have some > possibly become locked into that which has dominated their own > subconscious? The road is not a straight line and the earth is not > flat, cosmic energy and mental awareness is ever present. > > http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/04/mind_decision > > How about > Even 60 milliseconds of exposure to a brand name such as > Wal-Mart or Tiffany can alter consumers' subconscious > goals, .................http://esciencenews.com/articles/2008/07/17/ > brand.names.subconsciously.afftect.peoples.shopping.goals > Excerpt: > Our bodies create the illusion that we are separate. This illusion is > further reinforced by modern science and technology, which is based on > the Cartesian-Newton paradigm, which posited a division between mind > and matter and led to a view of the universe as a mechanical system > consisting of separate objects. > This view fostered life in society as a competitive struggle for > existence and the belief in unlimited material progress to be achieved > through economic and technological growth. Modern physics and quantum > mechanics are now discovering what the mystics of the East have long > known, the basic oneness of the universe. > Modern physics and quantum mechanics are now discovering what the > mystics of the East have long known the basic oneness of the universe, > what we refer to as Vasudhaiv Kutumbakam. The deeper we study the > composition of matter, we find the web of relations between various > parts of a unified whole more interconnected. This shift from object > to relationships has far-reaching implications for both science and > society as a whole. A thing has to be defined not by what it is in > itself but by its relations to other things. > Quantum mechanics has also proved that the role of the observer is of > paramount importance in determining reality. Heisenbergs Uncertainty > Principle proved the impossibility of predicting the position and > momentum of a particle. The mere act of observation changes both. > There is a law of agreement that operates in the universe. Things are > the way they are because we wish them to be > so.http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Subconscious/id/22148 > > There has to more to it that just flatulent ignition. > > On Jan 24, 8:08 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I bet he can even light his own farts Slip. > > > On 25 Jan, 01:49, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Joseph Murphy (1898-1981) > > > Prosperity writer extraordinaire DR. JOSEPH MURPHY wrote, taught, > > > counseled, and lectured to thousands all over the world for nearly > > > fifty years. > > > > Born in 1898, he was educated in Ireland and England. Years of > > > research studying the world’s major religions convinced him that some > > > great Power lay behind them all: The Power is within you! Dr Murphy > > > spent a good part of his life studying Eastern religions, and was a > > > scholar of the I-Ching, the Chinese book of divination whose origins > > > are lost in history. > > > > Joseph Murphy, Ph.D., D.D., was a world-renowned authority on > > > mysticism and mind dynamics. He remains a beacon of enlightenment and > > > inspiration for legions of loyal followers. “You were born to be rich. > > > You grow rich by the use of your God-given faculties, by tuning in > > > with the Infinite, and as your mind becomes productive and full of > > > good ideas, your labor will become more productive and will bring you > > > all kinds of material riches." “There is no virtue whatsoever in > > > poverty, which in actual fact is a mental disease, and it should be > > > abolished from the face of the earth. You are here to find your true > > > place in life, and to give of your talents to the world. You are here > > > to expand and unfold in a wonderful way, according to a God-given > > > potential, and to bring forth spiritual, mental, and material riches, > > > which will bless humanity in countless ways. > > > > Learn how to surround yourself always with beauty, and luxury, and > > > realize your inalienable right to live, liberty, freedom and peace of > > > mind. “It is your Divine right to dramatize, reveal, portray and > > > express the power, elegance, and riches of the Infinite One.” "I have > > > seen miracles happen to men and women in all walks of life all over > > > the world." -- Dr. Joseph Murphy. > > > > The subconscious responds to habit and habitual thinking. Being > > > totally neutral in a moral sense, it is happy to adopt any habit as > > > ‘normal’ - good or bad. We blithely let negative thoughts drop into > > > the subconscious every minute of our lives, then are surprised when > > > they find expression in day to day experiences and relationships. > > > While there are some things that will happen to us that we had no role > > > in creating, these are in fact rare. Mostly, the bad that happens is > > > in us already, waiting for the light of day. ‘The law of your mind is > > > the law of belief itself,’ Murphy says. What we believe makes us who > > > we are. William James observed that whatever people expect to be true, > > > will be so, irrespective of whether the object of their belief exists > > > in fact. In the West we have made ‘the truth’ our highest value; this > > > motivation, while important, is weak next to the actual power of > > > belief in shaping our lives. > > > > Whatever you give your subconscious – false or true, good or evil – it > > > will register as fact. Be careful not to joke about misfortune, as the > > > subconscious has no sense of humour. Dr. Murphy teaches the simple, > > > scientifically proven techniques and the astonishing facts about how > > > your subconscious powers can perform miracles of healing. How lung > > > cancer has been cured and optic nerves made whole again. How you can > > > use the newly discovered Law of Attraction to increase your money- > > > getting powers. How your subconscious mind can win you friends, peace > > > of mind, and even help you to attract the ideal mate. How your dreams > > > can help you solve problems and make difficult decisions -- or warn > > > you of potential disaster. Prosperity, happiness and perfect health > > > are yours when you use The Power Of Your Subconscious Mind. > > > > So what do you all think? > > > OK Minds Eye, Let'r Rip (not rest in peace) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
