On Jan 27, 4:39 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> I used to start an MA research methods class with a magic act. I
> thought it a good way of looking at the differences between illusion
> and reality and an example of how easily we can be bulled. Slip is
> teasing, yet there are good questions.
Perhaps you could point them out. I can't seem to sieve them out of
the BS.
>
> On 27 Jan, 15:24, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 25, 5:13 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Is that it? Are there no scientific data demonstrating the existence
> > > or not of mental capacity, the transition of subconscious to reality?
> > > What of Edgar Cayce, Uri Geller, Randi, Libet, Esp, telekinesis,
> > > psychic phenomena, apparitions, stigmata and the many discussions
> > > taken place here regarding these issues?
>
> > All of this is demonstrably Bullshit.
> > It is curious that you have Randi in the list - it his he more than
> > most that has shown all this stuff to be a collection of conjuring
> > tricks and weak minded nonsense. The best person I have seen to
> > demonstrate "mentalism" is Derren Brown. He can read minds, levitate
> > tables walk on glass, make impossible predictions - the whole bang-
> > shoot, though he says NONE of it has the slightest thing to do with
> > ESP - its just great psychology; no magic, just illusion.
> > There is however a serious and tragic need to believe and even HIS
> > audiences go away thinking they have seen magic.
>
> > Have we reached the point of
>
> > > burnout or has rationale become so finite as to totally dismiss on the
> > > basis of disbelief or absurdity? Is there any correlation between
> > > Jung's Shadow concept and that of Murphy's presentation? Have some
> > > possibly become locked into that which has dominated their own
> > > subconscious? The road is not a straight line and the earth is not
> > > flat, cosmic energy and mental awareness is ever present.
>
> > >http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/04/mind_decision
>
> > > How about > Even 60 milliseconds of exposure to a brand name such as
> > > Wal-Mart or Tiffany can alter consumers' subconscious
> > > goals, .................http://esciencenews.com/articles/2008/07/17/
> > > brand.names.subconsciously.afftect.peoples.shopping.goals
> > > Excerpt:
> > > Our bodies create the illusion that we are separate. This illusion is
> > > further reinforced by modern science and technology, which is based on
> > > the Cartesian-Newton paradigm, which posited a division between mind
> > > and matter and led to a view of the universe as a mechanical system
> > > consisting of separate objects.
> > > This view fostered life in society as a competitive struggle for
> > > existence and the belief in unlimited material progress to be achieved
> > > through economic and technological growth. Modern physics and quantum
> > > mechanics are now discovering what the mystics of the East have long
> > > known, the basic oneness of the universe.
> > > Modern physics and quantum mechanics are now discovering what the
> > > mystics of the East have long known the basic oneness of the universe,
> > > what we refer to as Vasudhaiv Kutumbakam. The deeper we study the
> > > composition of matter, we find the web of relations between various
> > > parts of a unified whole more interconnected. This shift from object
> > > to relationships has far-reaching implications for both science and
> > > society as a whole. A thing has to be defined not by what it is in
> > > itself but by its relations to other things.
> > > Quantum mechanics has also proved that the role of the observer is of
> > > paramount importance in determining reality. Heisenbergs Uncertainty
> > > Principle proved the impossibility of predicting the position and
> > > momentum of a particle. The mere act of observation changes both.
> > > There is a law of agreement that operates in the universe. Things are
> > > the way they are because we wish them to be
> > > so.http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Subconscious/id/22148
>
> > > There has to more to it that just flatulent ignition.
>
> > > On Jan 24, 8:08 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I bet he can even light his own farts Slip.
>
> > > > On 25 Jan, 01:49, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Joseph Murphy (1898-1981)
> > > > > Prosperity writer extraordinaire DR. JOSEPH MURPHY wrote, taught,
> > > > > counseled, and lectured to thousands all over the world for nearly
> > > > > fifty years.
>
> > > > > Born in 1898, he was educated in Ireland and England. Years of
> > > > > research studying the world’s major religions convinced him that some
> > > > > great Power lay behind them all: The Power is within you! Dr Murphy
> > > > > spent a good part of his life studying Eastern religions, and was a
> > > > > scholar of the I-Ching, the Chinese book of divination whose origins
> > > > > are lost in history.
>
> > > > > Joseph Murphy, Ph.D., D.D., was a world-renowned authority on
> > > > > mysticism and mind dynamics. He remains a beacon of enlightenment and
> > > > > inspiration for legions of loyal followers. “You were born to be rich.
> > > > > You grow rich by the use of your God-given faculties, by tuning in
> > > > > with the Infinite, and as your mind becomes productive and full of
> > > > > good ideas, your labor will become more productive and will bring you
> > > > > all kinds of material riches." “There is no virtue whatsoever in
> > > > > poverty, which in actual fact is a mental disease, and it should be
> > > > > abolished from the face of the earth. You are here to find your true
> > > > > place in life, and to give of your talents to the world. You are here
> > > > > to expand and unfold in a wonderful way, according to a God-given
> > > > > potential, and to bring forth spiritual, mental, and material riches,
> > > > > which will bless humanity in countless ways.
>
> > > > > Learn how to surround yourself always with beauty, and luxury, and
> > > > > realize your inalienable right to live, liberty, freedom and peace of
> > > > > mind. “It is your Divine right to dramatize, reveal, portray and
> > > > > express the power, elegance, and riches of the Infinite One.” "I have
> > > > > seen miracles happen to men and women in all walks of life all over
> > > > > the world." -- Dr. Joseph Murphy.
>
> > > > > The subconscious responds to habit and habitual thinking. Being
> > > > > totally neutral in a moral sense, it is happy to adopt any habit as
> > > > > ‘normal’ - good or bad. We blithely let negative thoughts drop into
> > > > > the subconscious every minute of our lives, then are surprised when
> > > > > they find expression in day to day experiences and relationships.
> > > > > While there are some things that will happen to us that we had no role
> > > > > in creating, these are in fact rare. Mostly, the bad that happens is
> > > > > in us already, waiting for the light of day. ‘The law of your mind is
> > > > > the law of belief itself,’ Murphy says. What we believe makes us who
> > > > > we are. William James observed that whatever people expect to be true,
> > > > > will be so, irrespective of whether the object of their belief exists
> > > > > in fact. In the West we have made ‘the truth’ our highest value; this
> > > > > motivation, while important, is weak next to the actual power of
> > > > > belief in shaping our lives.
>
> > > > > Whatever you give your subconscious – false or true, good or evil – it
> > > > > will register as fact. Be careful not to joke about misfortune, as the
> > > > > subconscious has no sense of humour. Dr. Murphy teaches the simple,
> > > > > scientifically proven techniques and the astonishing facts about how
> > > > > your subconscious powers can perform miracles of healing. How lung
> > > > > cancer has been cured and optic nerves made whole again. How you can
> > > > > use the newly discovered Law of Attraction to increase your money-
> > > > > getting powers. How your subconscious mind can win you friends, peace
> > > > > of mind, and even help you to attract the ideal mate. How your dreams
> > > > > can help you solve problems and make difficult decisions -- or warn
> > > > > you of potential disaster. Prosperity, happiness and perfect health
> > > > > are yours when you use The Power Of Your Subconscious Mind.
>
> > > > > So what do you all think?
> > > > > OK Minds Eye, Let'r Rip (not rest in peace)
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