There were many arguments around Marx relating to the "Jewish Question" I regard as saying about all there is left to say on old religions. I think more is involved than hankering after something we once thought was good - I can say this from my proddy background too, though I'm aware id did not suffer quite as those former Catholics I have known. My mate Ronnie is over in April and at some point I will be outnumbered 5 to 1 by lapsed Catholics (one a seminary survivor). There is still a noticeable difference despite several hundred years of atheism between us. I wonder whether the problem with hoping for what one felt as good and thus hoping for reform holds us back from more major changes too?
On 6 Feb, 17:32, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Francis, > I'm a Catholic-raised person as well. These days I call myself an > agnostic. I have some acquaintances who are very Conservative > Catholics, along the lines that you suggest, but without the bigotry > and racist baggage, I am glad to say. One of these acquaintances moved > his entire family many hundreds of miles to another State and city, > just so he could send his children to a "proper" Catholic school... > those catholic schools available near his then home, not being > sufficiently traditional when it came to the church fundamentals. His > biggest complaint was that the Mass was no longer said in Latin, as I > recall. Anyway, I was not then nor am I now so invoved, theologically, > in Catholic questions. But I do have some layman concern about the > Conservative tilt that the Catholic Church, as an institution, appears > to be taking, especially under the recent Pope Benedict > XVI.http://www.jamescarroll.net/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_P._Carroll > Here is a link to a former Catholic priest and author, fairly > prominent and respected here in the U.S., named Mr. James Carroll. I > recently viewed a documentary that he made titled "Constantine's > Sword" that does a much better job considering some of these > questions than I could. If you have a chance, maybe you can get hold > of a dvd to view... I got it through my local library, so I didn't > have to rent or purchase it. > The current Pope Benedict XVI does seem to be a bit "scary" doesn't > he? I don't mind the traditionalism when it comes to formal or even > strictly theological matters (for what little I understand of such > things) but these broader social or historical questions... the > persecutions or the historical factual errors.... it does seem as > though Pope BenedictXVI is taking a very big step backwards, into an > evil past conception of the clery's self-assumed authority..... Ex > Cathedra only goes so-far... I've read Dante.... some Popes deserve to > be in Hell, I agree. > nominal9 > > On Feb 6, 5:43 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The media in Germany has been dominated, in the past week, by the > > controversy arising as a result of the lifting of the excommunications > > of four bishops of the Society of St. Pius X (originally imposed > > following their illicit consecrations by Archbishop Lefebvre in 1988) > > on January 21st. The Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) is a traditionalist > > fringe group with origins in the Catholic tradition, which rejects > > large sections of the modification in teaching and liturgy promulgated > > by the Second Vatical Council. > > > On the same day, Swedish TV aired an interview with Richard > > Williamson, one of the four, in which he denied the Shoah, stating, “I > > believe there were no gas chambers ... I think that two to three > > hundred thousand Jews perished in Nazi concentration camps ... but > > none of them by gas chambers.” The excrement impacted with the > > ventilator. > > > The indignation and criticism in Germany (which, as a result of the > > Nazi area, sees itself as having an abiding responsiblity to the > > victims of the Holocaust) reached such a level that Chancellor Merkel > > publicly criticised the German-born pope, Josef Ratzinger/Benedict > > XVI, concerning his decision. This has provoked a reaction by many > > (mostly conservative) Catholics about inappropriate political > > interference in internal Church matters. For those interested in more > > background the following links may be > > helpful:http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,605714,00.htmlhttp:/... > > > The issue raises some interesting questions, particularly in the area > > of relations between the state/public society, and religions/churches, > > as well as issues within the Catholic tradition. I would be > > particularly interested in reading comments from Catholic and Jewish > > members of our group. > > > Francis --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
