Is that it, then, Neil? The real separation between the haves and have nots? It
all comes down to fear of what the nots will do if they become haves?
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Real empowerment seems a non-starter because we are so scared about
what empowered people will do.
On 30 Jan, 18:09, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello Slip Disc, and all others,
> I'm returning to this topic a bit late... it looks as though everyone
> has had their fill of it, at least for a while. I've been
> preoccupied
> with some minor but concerning personal things, that I won't get
> into.... Anyway, I remember the Military-Industrial Complex
> Observation made by Eisenhower.... a few years before my time, I was
> still a pre-teen when he said it, but I remember the effect that the
> whole arguement had especially during the Vietnam War era. I don't
> discount it... the association between the Military and Capitalist
> Greed.... War is "profitable"... there are even some nowadays who are
> saying (again) that the way "we" got out of the Great Depression was
> throught WWII..... Sort of a sobering ad cautionary notion... when
> you
> wonder about those who are bringing this whole arguement up again...
> what war are they trying to start? Is this their suggestion for
> getting out of our present economic downturn, get comes to my mind?
> But what I am trying to get at is that the Gaza situation... Israel
> vs. Muslim Countries... seems to me to go further than the
> workings of the Military Industruial Complex notion ... war as
> economic source of
> personal gain.... can account for. I think that there would be
> conflict in the Middle East even if both sides were relegated to
> going
> at each other with Sticks and Rocks (look at the Palestinians for
> proof of that).... One poster above (I forget who) said that the
> conflict between the Jews and the Muslims seemed to be "genetic"....
> I
> don't think that the notion holds "biologically" but I agree with the
> sentiment.... the animosity is very deeply ingrained.... socially or
> culturally, religiously and in all sorts of deeply felt ways. All of
> this , in a round-about way gets me to the point I want to make.
> This whole thing is very "personalized" , as many human "people"
> problems tend to become. And the harm and "effects" of the situation,
> be it as military conflict or even at the level of the "domination"
> imposed on some by others.... okay and the "terror" that the other
> side claims to be subjected to, as well.... all of that is
> "personal".
> There are people dying and being oppressed, throughout it all. I
> suppose what I am trying to get at is that this matter should not be
> looked at as being "resolvable" at the general level but that it
> should be tried to be solved at the personal one..... one problem for
> one person at a time level. I know, it sounds a little ....
> Kumbaya.... but that isn't how I mean it. I mean, solve the Poverty
> in
> Gaza and elsewhere, first and foremost.... feed, cure, employ, give
> full legal and human rights to the "little people", and TO HELL with
> the leaders or the politicians, be they Palestinian or Israeli....
> And
> as for the "Military- Industrial Complex"..... well, Eisenhower did
> have a point.... stop all U.S. military aid to the Israelis..... they
> can always buy their own guns..... everybody knows that they already
> have plenty... up to and including Nuclear Weapons.
> nominal9
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