On 9 Feb, 08:44, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> I knew your abdication would be short lived. The population is too
> small (see last post) to be concerned with capitalist democracy but
> more so inclined to agrarian living. I'm going back quite a bit and
> that is with reasonable intent to create ground floor opportunity.
> Consider it to be the beginning of the world part II. Fear of some
> despotic individual wanting to take reign may present a problem but
> then again Don's opposition crush might present the solution. Of
> course this is exactly what I'm trying to avoid in the molding of this
> new culture, the "Ideal Culture".
>
If you're trying to find a 'perfect culture' you MUST know that
cultures change over time in order to allow for adaptation to new
stimuli from the environment, if nothing else. If you could crack the
code of the language of the Indus River valley, you might find some
clues. Their cities seemed to have no palaces or temples, indicating
they lived without major politics and/or religion and the troubles
that go with them. Perhaps it was THEIR culture that had made the
deal with God in the Sumerian Flood story. That is, at the end of the
Sumerian Flood myth, God strikes a bargain with man concerning any
subsequent floods (unlike the Bible story that just ends with God
flatly promising NOT to do it again): In order to avoid future
flooding, Man agreed to practice birth control and live within the
means of the planet. Whoops, it seems we've failed on both counts.
If there IS a perfect culture, I think the Indus River Valley people
seem to have had it. So, perhaps we should turn to ancient Pakistani
culture???
> On Feb 9, 1:18 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
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>
>
> > I'm struck here that we could get started. We could run a system that
> > would compete with "capitalist democracy" on a fair basis, on an
> > understanding amongst a League of Democracies that we would be about
> > creating a better, fairer society. Mostly human beings had to run
> > away to try this in history - now we are faced with doing this
> > internally. Easy enough to think of Lebensraum by chosen people with
> > tanks idiotologies or to reinvent Utopia without a grasp of its irony
> > (the word suggests an 'existing nowhere' meaning). I tend to believe
> > philosophy cannot answer here. We might have to consider whether
> > "Western values" may have the potential to help in creating something
> > worthwhile stripped of libidinal excess, recognise what is universal
> > in them and how we could establish countervailing structures for a
> > fair and enjoyable competition we could all engage with. Animal Farm
> > got much right in the sense of warning we need a democratic armed
> > services and such to prevent despotism and living in fear of anyone
> > who can train dogs.
>
> > On 9 Feb, 06:59, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Abdication would be the master plan, surely, Slip? If only I could
> > > trust any of them bastards to do a less worse job than me! The
> > > mistake, in this otherwise excellent thought experiment, has already
> > > been made. We need a plan for no masters that recognises the
> > > frailties of humans with no rules, and human inability to chose
> > > leaders and a leadership system that will not impose the frailties of
> > > leaders or the crass rule of bandits or an idiocy. If we could get
> > > people to understand how strange the word Utopia is, we might get
> > > started.
>
> > > On 9 Feb, 06:08, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > "Lets Say", the earth as we know it was destroyed by whatever device
> > > > humanity heaped upon itself. All that survived are gathered in one
> > > > place, and you are the chosen leader. The earth is yours to do as you
> > > > wish.
> > > > Surely you will want to create a new culture, purged of the calamities
> > > > and atrocities noted in the annals of human history.
> > > > Where do you begin? The people are waiting.
>
> > > > Do you have a master plan?
>
> > > > Do you have some idea of what you think would be the ideal culture?-
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