Sci Fi has always seemed to point us to what is possible - like any
other great writing.  I do, agree, Neil, that somewhere along the line
many of us have that "wait, what?" moment where we begin to question
more deeply and sift out the dross.  A fascinating process, really,
and one that allows us to eventually include our finite and infinite
natures if we can trust ourselves in the process.

On Feb 15, 4:14 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think that vastness you speak of is definitely there.  We may have
> measured the speed of light accurately but I don't think we've even
> come close to measuring the speed of thought which may just exceed the
> speed of light and approach infinity.
>
> Have you ever read Orson Scott Card's "Ender" quartet?  He introduces
> some very thought provoking concepts in that series of science fiction
> novels.  Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide and Children of
> The Mind.  I highly recommend them for anyone interested in exceeding
> the speed of light ... (watch for the ansible network).
>
> On Feb 14, 4:08 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I stick with Russell that sense quali are strangely some combination
> > of physical and mental, and with Whitehead that the bifurcation of
> > nature is some kind of mistake.  The reality hypothesis seems to work
> > rather better than believing in fairies at the bottom of the garden
> > and I ascribe hope to there being more to vastness than being barred
> > from it forever by the speed of light.  I suspect many of our problems
> > with thought stem from the realisation we have been fed dross from
> > birth and cannot work out just how much of our thinking is thus
> > constrained.
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