They broke their backs lifting Moloch to Heaven! Pavements, trees, radios, tons! lifting the city to Heaven which exists and is everywhere about us! Visions! omens! hallucinations! miracles! ecstasies! gone down the American river! Dreams! adorations! illuminations! religions! the whole boatload of sensitive bullshit! Breakthroughs! over the river! flips and crucifixions! gone down the flood! Highs! Epiphanies! Despairs! Ten years' animal screams and suicides! Minds! New loves! Mad generation! down on the rocks of Time! Real holy laughter in the river! They saw it all! the wild eyes! the holy yells! They bade farewell! They jumped off the roofl to solitude! waving! carrying flowers! Down to the river! into the street!
I can't say it any better than Ginsberg On Feb 24, 7:36 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Say it ain't so Slip! The 'hero' in my novel is stuck with $20 > million dollars of drug money with a CIA connection, trying to launder > it for practical research projects amongst the underprivileged. In > the meantime, his prodigal daughter and the woman who encourages a > stray cat into his home, have written up and published his stories for > children and adolescents he had considered worthless, excluding any > necessity for his heroic campaign (well, not quite in terms of his > discovery of a 'worthless' truth of guns, steel, geography, disease > and bent politicians). It is only the hero of the novel's protagonist > in his novels (a modern Sherlock Holmes with an old eye for women) > that Molly could call on in order to create the spectacle you > envisage! Even then, 'we' would have to make up (no doubt over a > whiskey bottle, the neck of which we would have to smash before > drinking - the effort of uncorking being beyond us after our > exertions) before establishing a new world order before Molly declined > to become our Queen of a Thousand Years on the grounds that no > sensible republic could be based on the exertions of such old- > fashioned fools (pan to Molly as the Lady of the Lake taking Excalibur > back) ... this, of course, is not to suggest Molly isn't worth > fighting over, just unlikely to be smitten by fools who would. Our > teeth are likely to be safe! > > On 24 Feb, 07:00, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > So many colorful emotions and archetypal personas that I think we're > > still howling (howl, howl, howl.) That echo is still here... > > > On Feb 23, 11:04 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Still the age old dilemma, damsel in distress. Your the hero arch, > > > called to the rescue, slay the slip and save the day. I'm quite > > > devastated by the rejection and will resign to the temperate zone of > > > the cooler where I may turn Blue, thereby delaying your poetic > > > recital. I had a moment when I was Green with envy but my skin tones > > > returned to fleshly hues, not that I didn't feel a bit Yellow after > > > the suggestion of a firearm attack against me. Orange you glad it > > > didn't have to happen? Better this than maybe Molly had given me a > > > Black eye. It's all quite embarrassing really and I'm slightly Red in > > > the face. I'm just a Silver tooth devil anyway, what the heck, so I > > > don't have any Gold teeth. There may be Gray skies but it's still a > > > colorful world isn't it? {;-) > > > > On Feb 23, 7:36 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Long gone Molly - though I've just dug them up for a novel. Sex in > > > > the sequel to Catch 22 (Closing Time) was merely the touch of a hand > > > > to a slip. I am merely the Horse from Don Quixote thrown up again to > > > > wonder what the fools are up to in my sense of reality. We could do > > > > with Bat Masterson around here - though my guess is he used a large > > > > piece of wood. Decent jobs and dignity would kill off more crime > > > > round here than even one of my old teams. I'll read some of my poetry > > > > if Slip turns purple! > > > > > On 23 Feb, 16:00, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I can see that Neil, the chaperon, will be needed to maintain social > > > > > propriety. Don't forget your firearm and badge, Neil. > > > > > > On Feb 23, 10:11 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > So now I'm your Pink Slip! Yeehaaa! Fire and Wine! I'm howlin! > > > > > > > *running the cold shower* > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:59 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > My mom taught me never to let my slip show, but I can see we are > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > to the fire lit night and bottle of wine, good for a group howl. > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 4:48 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well I'm thinking that I'm either Molly's "Friend Slip" or her > > > > > > > > "Freudian Slip", hoping to find out soon! > > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 3:40 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Fiend might be better than Saint Slip given the > > > > > > > > > sanctification of > > > > > > > > > Foucault by some! Wait until the moon is up before you howl > > > > > > > > > Slip and > > > > > > > > > you'll hear my echo ... > > > > > > > > > > On 22 Feb, 21:07, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Fiend? *howls really loud* > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 2:57 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Very insightful, as usual, my fiend Slip. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 3:49 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gee Molly, you must have much To Do to typo a To To for > > > > > > > > > > > > a Do To. Busy > > > > > > > > > > > > are we? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Miss your more in depth out looks. {:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 12:08 pm, Molly Brogan > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And by the way, moderators, many, many thanks for all > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you to to > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow these conversations. You are appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 11:01 am, Kierkecraig > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Betty, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You probably joined the group and choose to receive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > updates via > > > > > > > > > > > > > > email. Change your settings to no email if you do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not wish to receive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > email updates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 1:18 am, Betty Boop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Vamadevananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok im a bit lost as to why i am recieving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyones mail but none is directed at me????/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could you answer that for me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Vamadevananda <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Say it ain't so.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: ""Minds Eye"" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 8:16 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could we keep Goffman, Ludwig, Lyotard, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aside for a moment, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neil ! It is very easy to lose focus between the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two virtues of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > listening and expressing, the kind you espouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point is you like Chaz and would like to have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him back. Keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KC's offering in mind, the question was of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintaining order on this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum. Which that involves isn't restrictive at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all : it just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requires that one is verbally meaningful, polite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and respectful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards each other. Do you disagree with that, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this one basic need of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ensuring order ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, how does one ensure that order without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shutting out the spammers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the deviants, the latter who continue to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > display obnoxious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( verbal ) behaviour despite having been given a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long rope in terms of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > caution and warnings ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see this happenning as being more procedureal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than philosophical ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Much as I envy your erudition, I also suspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitating. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21 Feb, 20:22, archytas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question, I guess Molly, would be how we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might get the spirit into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our due process. We fail almost entirely in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the UK because we can't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work out what fair expression is and don't do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proper investigations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Goffman got a lot right in terms of what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said in different places > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and contexts, and I remember a reference to a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > British bureaucrat in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 pointing out the 'economical with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth' strategy - the best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answers one could ever draft being so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meaningless as not to allow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > critique or even understanding. Aggression is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > often conflated with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > frustration and a kind of righteous indignation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we should take more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > account of. I guess the need to sort out spam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and snerting etc. must > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > run up against the ideal of wanting anyone to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be able to have their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say. What kills me off in the general run of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information in the media > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is that they never get beyond a class view or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem to understand this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't balance, but prejudice. Even this runs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to a defence of the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if not careful (our main grim tabloid). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > often get a 'let them eat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cake' feeling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a need to spit in the face of smiling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brotherhoods - yet the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spit is often merely to say this isn't working > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for me and is hurting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. There is a key inertial violence in our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > systems - standard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > academic work would refer to paranoid-schizoid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and depressive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions - but even to say this is to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confused with claiming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people are paranoid-schizoid as an insult. One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is generally forced to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be a supplicant to those with the power to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exclude evidence. Evidence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > itself becomes an instrument of torture - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps as claims to provide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evidence might be used > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
