Getting to the meat is key. Access to justice is still poor in the West and I suspect lawyers don't help this because of the money system. We need to be able to say boo to various gooses and I suspect we need a kind of constitutional reform pretty much not discussed. This isn't proportional representation or whatever, but about recognising how rotten power becomes. That senile old bastard Mugabe is a current classic - we need to be able to call him this, not 'Mr. President'. I remember being inspired by his intellect and rhetoric as a young man. New Labour in the UK look nearly as bad - maybe all that stops them giving us starvation and cholera is that we could rise up? Party politics, whether of the one-party state or multi-party is a major problem, not a cure. We have been taken into an unjust war and killed thousands in a manner as evil as anything Mugabe has done, and could not stop this by street protest or voting. I see a corruption of reason everywhere and am pretty damned sure I'm not paranoid. I believe we could find structural ways to prevent the corruption, but we need more than a few bleats about transparency.
On 28 Feb, 14:58, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > The squeaky wheel gets the grease. I guess one could say the same > about the worst of any group and perhaps the woman might be a bit > uniformed in that light. She seems to have partitioned a single > group. The chosen people concept surely would not bring about much > more that condemnation of the unchosen. I would welcome a similar > tirade against western ideologies as a whole. There have been some > strides in identifying the inconsistencies as of late but I don't > think it delves into the meat. Avoidance of exposure in political > circles may keep a quietus on such matters for quite some time. At > least we have the freedoms to carry out our tirades and diatribes > against anyone, with slight exceptions alluding to illegal > incitements. Wafa at least opens the door for this examination style > of Muslim terrorist tactic in a comparative sense. There are always > extremist views and overly zealous movements that initiate radical > communication methods. It actually happens on the local level in the > form of community outbursts stemming from disproportionate > distribution of resource. The Watts riots of 1965 Los Angeles may be > an example of such extremist tactic as it was a result of too many > requests falling on too many deaf ears. In the end I don't think > there was much justification or accomplishment in the destruction, > equally so with terrorist bombings. Making the right argument > definitely may effect the end result if the argument overcomes > cultural barriers. There is much to be debated. > > On Feb 28, 5:14 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We have our own fundamentalists of course. One could say much the > > same as Wafa Sultan against the worst of the Xtians and Jews. Chosen > > people mentalities are always bad. What might such a sensible tirade > > against Western foreign policy look like? In it all, how do we put > > forward reason without ditching the passion in which we hold it? Can > > anyone imagine our own politicians facing the concerns most of us in > > here share? Or even anything like this Al-jazeera debate? > > Thinking small, we have a massive problem in the West with an > > underclass we have created. Our 'answers' have been to create ghetto > > situations and hapless rhetoric that doesn't suit or even identify the > > real problems. If our bwankers have been little more than self- > > satisfied thieves running Ponzi schemes, our local authorities have > > also been run by people on fat salaries living away from the problems > > and making sure their own cozy lives are kept well away. We can't > > even get a review of how we were plunged into wars that make no sense > > - it may even be that we have not fought the right one. What have we > > done about our own medieval - the Undead? > > My general sense is that we can't make the right arguments. Racism > > has often seemed a good example. It's disgusting, yet partly genetic > > and common to us all. To have made this into a white man's burden and > > subject to political correctness has been to bury most of the > > problem. Our own general system has been shown to be disgustingly > > corrupt and even now we seem incapable of fixing it on the basis of > > discovering what was good in it and how we might move away from the > > inducements of massive (libidinal) riches as reward - perhaps our own > > virginal paradise? > > > On 28 Feb, 05:40, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > One just as to say the woman is right. Towards the end she is given a > > > massively patronising look by some hatted votary, which says it all. > > > I know there is more to the story in history, but she is right in the > > > passion. > > > > On 28 Feb, 03:58, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Kudos, she says pretty much what I would say to the Arabs, Taliban, Al > > > > Quaida, the Pakistani ISI, the Chinese Communist Party and all other > > > > extremists who have taken recourse to violent and repressive means to > > > > up themselves and their beliefs. > > > > > On 27 Feb, 17:33, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I don't know how long this link will be active or if it can be saved > > > > > but I thought it was worth acknowledgment. > > > > > The woman probably has a price on her head, but I do agree with much > > > > > of what she is saying. > > > > > >http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak > > > > > > What do you think? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
