On 19 Mar, 16:48, Ricky Rayburn <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ya know? That actually made me think from a different angle. Rock music is
> already dead. As well as the other types of music. This is the eyes of the
> record labels.
>
> If you're not familiar with Shania Twain, she's a country singer. Her very
> first album flopped.
> Then her second album was seen by Mutt Lang (her now husband) where he saw
> that she was sexy. So he put her in some tight short shorts and she sold
> millions. Brittney Spears.
> Can she really sing? Not in my opinion but she's real sexy. Sex sells.
> And that takes us back to the beginning...It's all about the money. There's
> so much real and great talent out there getting wasted due to the hunger for
> money and wealth of the big dogs. And if you can't run with the big dogs
> you got to stay on the porch. So now it almost seems that music is a loose
> loose situation. It's a shame!
>
Yeah, Bob Dylan was proof positive that you didn't need to look good
or sing great to be a great songwriter/performer. Of course, he fell
into the OTHER trap, he DID have 'a look'. Not necessarily 'good
looks' but a marketable image given his market. Sex is just an easy
way to market because it exploits us at an instinctive level. Clever
people those Madison Avenue types.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Good point Rick, one that makes sense as well the others. Everyone
> > jumps on the band wagon instead of being themselves and allowing their
> > creativity to develop.
> > I guess much of it is from where we stand and age category. I'll be
> > 59 in a few months so the coverage for me is wide. I've seen a lot of
> > music come and go while others stood the test of time. The days of
> > 50's music is long gone and some of the standards have made their way
> > back with different adaptations. The musical playing field is huge and
> > that's what I like most concerning improvisational styles
>
> > On Mar 19, 11:03 am, Ricky Rayburn <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Well then...I'm gonna keep it short and sweet. It's not just rock music
> > > that's dying. All music is dying for the simple fact that everybody
> > wants
> > > to be like everybody else. It's all about the money not the music.
> > Anybody
> > > can learn to play an instrument but not many can create with that
> > > instrument. I've been playing guitar and writing songs for that last 15
> > > years.
> > > There are like 6500 chord progressions on the guitar then add the
> > different
> > > variations and you have an infinite playing field. I've written about
> > 100
> > > rock songs (from light rock to death metal), about 20 rap songs and even
> > a
> > > few country. None sound the same and none sound like any other song that
> > is
> > > already out there. Maybe all these bands or people just run into
> > "writers
> > > block" or the music industry is starving for new talent. But if that's
> > the
> > > case then the new talent needs lots and lots of money to sell themselves.
>
> > > None the less, all music is dying due to the love of money instead of
> > the
> > > love of storytelling and truth.
>
> > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:58 AM, frantheman <[email protected]
> > >wrote:
>
> > > > And now for something completely different …
>
> > > > “The blues had a baby and they named it rock and roll” (Muddy Waters).
> > > > Sometime around the beginning of the 1950s, rock n’ roll started to
> > > > emerge (synthesising influences from jazz, blues, country and gospel)
> > > > and quickly developed into what is known as “rock music.” There
> > > > followed the creative explosion of the 60s, further development (Glam,
> > > > hard rock, progressive, reggae) as well as correctives (Punk) in the
> > > > 70s, more new trends in the 80s (such as New Wave, indie, electronic)
> > > > and some new creative impulses in the 90s (Grunge, Britpop, world
> > > > music) and then …
> > > > [Whether one sees black music/r’n’b as a sub-group within rock (with a
> > > > somewhat different cultural history and development; blues, gospel,
> > > > Motown, soul, etc.), or as something basically different to rock music
> > > > is a matter of debate (personally I tend to the first
> > > > interpretation).]
>
> > > > Rock music has fractured into hundreds of genres, from Death Metal to
> > > > different varieties of techno. Hip hop (originally with a pedigree in
> > > > perceived US black alienation, now diversified world-, language- and
> > > > culture-wide) strikes me as being musically very limited. Commercial
> > > > pop remains as strong and parasitically creative as ever (contemporary
> > > > r’n’b sanitising a lot of rap/hip hop being one example), but, because
> > > > of its commercial imperatives, pop will never be really artistically
> > > > creative, feeding instead on new impulses which have, over the past
> > > > half century, usually been provided in the area known as “rock music.”
>
> > > > Over the past ten years or so, I have the feeling that rock is
> > > > creatively increasing running out of steam. The scene today seems to
> > > > be dominated, as I said, by different genres and, increasingly, by
> > > > aging dinosaurs, either repeating themselves (like U2 or REM) or
> > > > parodying themselves (as the Stones have been doing for decades).
> > > > Elton John and Phil Collins are now writing musicals. There’s a lot of
> > > > good new music out there, but nearly all of it seems to be no more
> > > > than very competent variations on themes intensively explored long
> > > > ago. Has the original inspiration of three chords and twelve bars;
> > > > electric guitar, bass, (keyboards) and drums, finally been mined out?
>
> > > > Or am I just getting old?
>
> > > > Francis
>
> > > > “When I hear the word gun, I reach for my culture.” (Malcolm
> > > > Muggeridge)- Hide quoted text -
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