"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
Which is why I(and others) rely so heavily on quotes. My admiration and respect to those of you who don't and still appear wise. dj On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:49 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's easy enough to agree Molly. Yets and buts follow because we are > rarely amongst those who would enter dialogue. > > On 23 Mar, 12:57, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: >> 'debate' often leaves little >> than some form of protest like self-immolation. >> >> debate, yes. But dialogue raises consciousness. >> >> On Mar 23, 2:38 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Less of the old you young whipper-snapper Jenkins! There is a lot to >> > be said on getting hold of something better than victimisation and >> > such stuff as the existential hero, but we have to note that these >> > 'games' are played everywhere and that 'debate' often leaves little >> > than some form of protest like self-immolation. There is a very >> > strong mechanism in such decent things as patience and politeness >> > (manners in Elias) that seeks to prevent truth and engage secrecy for >> > the wrong reasons. At some point we become intolerant of intolerance. >> > impatient with patience - and may not be wrong. Tolerance itself can >> > be highly intolerant, just another prejudice in those who learn >> > rhetoric rather than develop - rather like the 'new man' out to get >> > into knickers with his new strategy of sexual equality. >> >> > On 23 Mar, 05:13, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > Thank you, Justin ! Inspiring, reminding ... the best of what >> > > international virtual community members can give to each other. >> >> > > On Mar 23, 9:46 am, Justintruth <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > Kierkegaard on despair: >> >> > > > Just as the physician might say that there lives perhaps not one >> > > > single man who is in perfect health, so one might say perhaps that >> > > > there lives not one single man who after all is not to some extent in >> > > > despair, in whose inmost parts there does not dwell a disquietude, a >> > > > perturbation, a discord, an anxious dread of an unknown something, or >> > > > of a something he does not even dare to make acquaintance with, dread >> > > > of a possibility of life, or dread of himself, so that, after all, as >> > > > physicians speak of a man going about with a disease in him, this man >> > > > is going about and carrying a sickness of the spirit, which only >> > > > rarely and in glimpses, by and with a dread which to him is >> > > > inexplicable, gives evidence of its presence within. >> >> > > > Su Kyi on fear: >> >> > > > It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts >> > > > those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who >> > > > are subject to it. ... >> >> > > > The quintessential revolution is that of the spirit, born of an >> > > > intellectual conviction of the need for change in those mental >> > > > attitudes and values which shape the course of a nation's development. >> > > > A revolution which aims merely at changing official policies and >> > > > institutions with a view to an improvement in material conditions has >> > > > little chance of genuine success. Without a revolution of the spirit, >> > > > the forces which produced the iniquities of the old order would >> > > > continue to be operative, posing a constant threat to the process of >> > > > reform and regeneration. It is not enough merely to call for freedom, >> > > > democracy and human rights. There has to be a united determination to >> > > > persevere in the struggle, to make sacrifices in the name of enduring >> > > > truths, to resist the corrupting influences ofdesire, ill will, >> > > > ignorance and fear... >> >> > > > Within a system which denies the existence of basic human rights, fear >> > > > tends to be the order of the day. Fear of imprisonment, fear of >> > > > torture, fear ofdeath, fear of losing friends, family, property or >> > > > means of livelihood, fear of poverty, fear of isolation, fear of >> > > > failure. A most insidious form of fear is that which masquerades as >> > > > common sense or even wisdom, condemning as foolish, reckless, >> > > > insignificant or futile the small, daily acts of courage which help to >> > > > preserve man's self-respect and inherent human dignity. It is not easy >> > > > for a people conditioned by fear under the iron rule of the principle >> > > > that might is right to free themselves from the enervating miasma of >> > > > fear. Yet even under the most crushing state machinery courage rises >> > > > up again and again, for fear is not the natural state of civilized >> > > > man. >> >> > > > The wellspring of courage and endurance in the face of unbridled power >> > > > is generally a firm belief in the sanctity of ethical principles >> > > > combined with a historical sense that despite all setbacks the >> > > > condition of man is set on an ultimate course for both spiritual and >> > > > material advancement. It is his capacity for self-improvement and self- >> > > > redemption which most distinguishes man from the mere brute. At the >> > > > root of human responsibility is the concept of peffection, the urge to >> > > > achieve it, the intelligence to find a path towards it, and the will >> > > > to follow that path if not to the end at least the distance needed to >> > > > rise above individual limitations and environmental impediments. It is >> > > > man's vision of a world fit for rational, civilized humanity which >> > > > leads him to dare and to suffer to build societies free from want and >> > > > fear. Concepts such as truth, justice and compassion cannot be >> > > > dismissed as trite when these are often the only bulwarks which stand >> > > > against ruthless power. >> >> > > > Jane Goodal on understanding (Oh yes she knows a little something of >> > > > chimps...! ;) ) >> >> > > > Thinking back over my life, it seems to me that there are different >> > > > ways of looking out and trying to understand the world around us. >> > > > There's a very clear scientific window. And it does enable us to >> > > > understand an awful lot about what's out there. There's another >> > > > window, it's the window through which the wise men, the holy men, the >> > > > masters, of the different and great religions look as they try to >> > > > understand the meaning in the world. My own preference is the window >> > > > of the mystic. >> >> > > > Jane Godal on Hope >> >> > > > There is the terrible pollution around the world, the balance of >> > > > nature is disturbed, and we are destroying our beautiful planet. There >> > > > are fears of new epidemics for which there will be no drugs, and, >> > > > rather than fight the cause, we torture millions of animals in the >> > > > name of medical progress. But in spite of all this I do have hope. And >> > > > my hope is based on three factors. >> >> > > > The Human Brain >> >> > > > Firstly, we have at last begun to understand and face up to the >> > > > problems that threaten us and the survival of life on Earth as we know >> > > > it. Surely, then, we can use our problem-solving abilities, our >> > > > brains, and, joining hands around the world, find ways to live that >> > > > are in harmony with nature. Indeed, many companies have begun >> > > > "greening" their operations, and millions of people worldwide are >> > > > beginning to realize that each one of us has a responsibility to the >> > > > environment and our descendants, and that the way each one of us lives >> > > > our life does matter, does make a difference. >> >> > > > The Determination of Young People >> >> > > > My second reason for hope lies in the tremendous energy, enthusiasm >> > > > and commitment of a growing number of young people around the world. >> > > > As they find out about the environmental and social problems that are >> > > > now part of their heritage, they want to fight to right the wrongs. Of >> > > > course they do - they have a vested interest in this, for it will be >> > > > their world tomorrow. They will be moving into leadership positions, >> > > > into the work force, becoming parents themselves. Young people, when >> > > > informed and empowered, when they realize that what they do truly >> > > > makes a difference, can indeed change the world. >> >> > > > The Indomitable Human Spirit >> >> > > > My third reason for hope lies in the indomitable nature of the human >> > > > spirit. There are so many people who have dreamed seemingly >> > > > unattainable dreams and, because they never gave up, achieved their >> > > > goals against all the odds, or blazed a path along which others could >> > > > follow. As I travel around the world I meet so many incredible and >> > > > amazing human beings. They inspire me. They inspire those around them. >> >> > > > The Resilience of Nature >> >> > > > My fourth reason for hope is the incredible resilience of nature. I >> > > > have visited Nagasaki, site of the second atomic bomb that ended World >> > > > War II. Scientists had predicted that nothing could grow there for at >> > > > least 30 years. But, amazingly, greenery grew very quickly. One >> > > > sapling actually managed to survive the bombing, and today it is a >> > > > large tree, with great cracks and fissures, all black inside; but that >> > > > tree still produces leaves. I carry one of those leaves with me as a >> > > > powerful symbol of hope. I have seen such renewals time and again, >> > > > including animal species brought back from the brink of extinction. >> >> > > > So let us move into the next millennium with hope, for without it all >> > > > we can do is eat and drink the last of our resources as we watch our >> > > > planet slowly die. Instead, let us have faith in ourselves, in our >> > > > intellect, in our staunch spirit. Let us develop respect for all >> > > > living things. Let us try to replace impatience and intolerance with >> > > > understanding and compassion. And love. > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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