I have no real fear of dying, to die is natural and death it seems is just another level of life. To live, to age, to die is all there is, so I have no qualms with it. Now to be attacked, by some maniac, and suffer some cruel, painful death, is not natural death but a rude interruption of my life and a premature discontinuation of living.
On Apr 2, 12:48 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > "...I differentiate natural death from death from attack in that > view." - SD > > How do they manifest differently for you Slip? ...mainly any fear > involved ....? > > On Apr 2, 5:28 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Point taken and the preoccupations are often fueled by media reports > > on unsubstantiated medical study and corporate marketing ploy. I > > guess death could be considered a main concern but then again I > > differentiate natural death from death from attack in that view. > > > On Apr 1, 8:05 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > ...doing my best to not delve into semantics, fear seems to be that > > > which is associated with our human preoccupations with health and > > > security in general...including all realms of health...mental, > > > physical etc. The main one for most is death. > > > > On Apr 1, 7:10 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Sounds exciting, Don, except for the part "luckily, nobody died", as I > > > > think we can significantly reduce drug related crime with a war of > > > > attrition, if we just let these lowlifes eliminate each other, no > > > > questions asked. Obviously law enforcement is ineffective and the > > > > prisons are overcrowded and costly. Sometimes I think much if it is > > > > allowed for governmental job security. > > > > > On Apr 1, 8:37 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > So Don, was that > > > > > > > former house where the shoot out occurred the OK Corral? > > > > > > Sunset Heights neighborhood in N. Houston one block west of Airline > > > > > Dr. Drug dealers raided the house across the street and his neighbor > > > > > came out shooting as well. Next morning when I came out there were > > > > > shell casings all over the street, a handgun on my next door > > > > > neighbor's truck and a trail of blood across my yard and front porch. > > > > > Must have been from the same guy I heard panting "Oh, God, oh, God" > > > > > outside my bedroom window a few hours earlier. Luckily, nobody died. > > > > > I had one bullet hole in my garage door but my car and house escaped > > > > > damage. Two months before that some guys drove a stolen SUV through > > > > > the living room of the house next to me. Yeah, THROUGH the living > > > > > room. It blew a transformer and then I had a news truck sitting in > > > > > front of my house for a couple of hours. Thought about going out in > > > > > my boxers scratching myself, drinking my morning hair-of-the-dog and > > > > > giving the typical witness interview but didn't. Damn, missed my 15 > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > dj > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I agree and it coincides with my opening in that it has just taken a > > > > > > back seat to the more casual fears that we exhibit daily and I'm > > > > > > wonder ing if in another five thousand years we will have lost that > > > > > > instinct entirely. I'm always curious as to what Darwin would think > > > > > > now with all the scientific knowledge available. So Don, was that > > > > > > former house where the shoot out occurred the OK Corral? > > > > > > > On Mar 31, 9:23 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> I believe the primal fear instinct is still with us we just don't > > > > > >> need > > > > > >> it anymore. Darwin doesn't mention the adrenaline rush perhaps > > > > > >> because we hadn't found out about that yet but most of the > > > > > >> symptoms he > > > > > >> describes are products of this phenomenon. We have attempted to > > > > > >> copy > > > > > >> this feeling with roller coasters, haunted houses, action/scary > > > > > >> movies > > > > > >> and extreme sports like skydiving or aggressive downhill > > > > > >> skiing/snow > > > > > >> boarding. As a former water skier, I can tell you the acceleration > > > > > >> and speed you get coming out of a turn and zooming across the wake > > > > > >> on > > > > > >> slalom are exhilarating. > > > > > > >> I have been truly frightened for my life only twice. First time > > > > > >> was > > > > > >> in the Gulf two days out on a fishing trip when a squall hit. Seas > > > > > >> got really rough with maybe 12-15 foot waves and we were literally > > > > > >> surrounded by water spouts. Got so dark we couldn't see through > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> driving rain. We just headed up into the wind on our little shrimp > > > > > >> boat and rode it out. I thought for sure we were going to capsize. > > > > > >> The other time was during a shoot out in the street in front of my > > > > > >> former house. That was much scarier because I felt so helpless. > > > > > > >> dj > > > > > > >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> > How can we distinguish primal fear instinct from what we mostly > > > > > >> > experience these days as anxiety, paranoia or just plain worry. > > > > > >> > I > > > > > >> > haven't been struck with fear in such a long time I don't think > > > > > >> > I can > > > > > >> > remember what it is all about. What I perceive as fear really > > > > > >> > isn't > > > > > >> > fear at all but a concern that things may not be going well, as > > > > > >> > with > > > > > >> > the governments of the world, the order of peace and civility. > > > > > > >> > Darwin describes fear: > > > > > >> > "Fear is often preceded by astonishment, and is so far akin to > > > > > >> > it, > > > > > >> > that both lead to the senses of sight and hearing being instantly > > > > > >> > aroused. In both cases the eyes and mouth are widely opened, and > > > > > >> > the > > > > > >> > eyebrows raised. The frightened man at first stands like a statue > > > > > >> > motionless and breathless, or crouches down as if instinctively > > > > > >> > to > > > > > >> > escape observation. The heart beats quickly and violently, so > > > > > >> > that it > > > > > >> > palpitates or knocks against the ribs... That the skin is much > > > > > >> > affected under the sense of great fear, we see in the marvelous > > > > > >> > manner > > > > > >> > in which perspiration immediately exudes from it... The hairs > > > > > >> > also on > > > > > >> > the skin stand erect; and the superficial muscles shiver. In > > > > > >> > connection with the disturbed action of the heart, the breathing > > > > > >> > is > > > > > >> > hurried. The salivary glands act imperfectly; the mouth becomes > > > > > >> > dry, > > > > > >> > and is often opened and shut." > > > > > > >> > This kind of fear probably only occurs these days in specific > > > > > >> > situations such as involvement in a major accident, an attack by > > > > > >> > a > > > > > >> > wild animal or in a combat situation. But for the rest of us > > > > > >> > does > > > > > >> > this type of fear even exist? > > > > > >> > We are afforded many safety provisions that eliminate that type > > > > > >> > of > > > > > >> > fear. > > > > > >> > Has our primal fear instinct subsided, have we become a > > > > > >> > civilization > > > > > >> > of mere worry?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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