I can only tell you what I have to say on that, Slip. I have experienced time in myriad ways over the course of my life. Some might think that it is a result of meditative practice. I think that the mediation brings us to a place in consciousness where we can view life unfolding in more subtle ways, which includes time. I think that time is one dimension and we are multi dimensional creatures. There are an infinite number of dimensions and each dimension is infinite. My ability to include dimensionality into my view has improved over the course of my life.
Once my desire to meditate fell away because I became, more or less, in a constant state of meditation, my change in view became exponential. It seems to me that folks that have had a brief taste of what Orn seems to be calling Ominpresence - or being everything and all that is, will be or ever was - they think that it is only something that can be achieved briefly and occasionally, because they achieved it in a meditative state where they needed to remove themselves from all sensory stimuli. I am here to say that it is a state that can be lived from, that it is possible to maintain a viewpoint that allows multidimensionality with breathe and depth (not easily understood from a three dimensional viewpoint that applies only linear time.) I can only say that it is easier to understand that we are capable of mixed emotion - most folks can feel happiness, apprehension, fear, anticipation all at the same time and do so regularly. So it is with multidimensionality, and it becomes the constant viewpoint eventually, if we can witness ourselves, understand our consciousness, and allow all possibility. Our viewpoint becomes a mixed bag of duality, non duality, time, individuality, ominpresence, and an infinite number of other aspects that can be viewed and felt as one. Most of us hop around from one viewpoint to the next, and we can joyously, and we do so to fully feel our individual humanity and the beauty of being alive. In my opinion, living from my infinite nature brings the most joy into my life. Do I fear or worry, am I sometimes angry etc? Sure. I live from and witness the limitation and the unlimited within me and all around me. Not just pretty words. Infinitely nesting paradoxes to be embraced. It is innate in everyone - our birthright. On Apr 2, 9:52 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > And what would Albert have to say about that, Molly? > > I guess to some degree it could be interpreted that way but I'm > inclined to think that view negates time itself, even as linear. I > can't perceive future happening simultaneous with past or present, > variables inclusive. I think Pat may have some space time input on > it. I'm not as familiar with space time as I am with spaced most > time. > > On Apr 2, 10:39 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Well, like it or not, everything is happening at once. We can see it > > that way, or in a more linear fashion, which allows us the experience > > of the many - or both! > > > On Apr 1, 11:34 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I rather opt for the Einstein view, “The only reason for time is so > > > that everything doesn't happen at once.” > > > > On Apr 1, 9:43 pm, monkebus <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Time is how we coordinate our efforts of stacking things on top of > > > > other things in an efficient manner > > > > > On Apr 1, 8:07 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > as i've said elsewhere, when one finds only the eternal 'now'...all is > > > > > well > > > > > > On Apr 1, 4:48 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Your on the right track, fran, with the awareness of time > > > > > > falsehoods. > > > > > > That's what I thought about years ago, and so began to figure out > > > > > > ways > > > > > > to have more time for myself. Soon things started to fall into > > > > > > place > > > > > > and I never again worried about having a job but only thought of how > > > > > > to make more money in less time. The freedom is not the result of > > > > > > wealth, but only because most people work at least four hours to > > > > > > make > > > > > > what I can make in one hour or less, which translates to 3 hours of > > > > > > free time for every hour that I work. Then of course it is exactly > > > > > > how you say, setting priorities and eliminating wasteful ventures > > > > > > that > > > > > > use up free time. I set my own schedules in order to take off > > > > > > whenever I want, to get away, like a few hour run to the ocean or a > > > > > > jaunt out to the river for a lazy day, picnic style. My wife > > > > > > substitutes at a couple of schools so she can allot time for us > > > > > > whenever as well. I might add that utilities have dropped a great > > > > > > deal with the use of several solar panels, a 12 volt battery system > > > > > > and a rain water reservoir, so the $avings also adds to the freedom. > > > > > > It is not just one thing that makes it work for me but several > > > > > > things > > > > > > working together in concert that ultimately pays off. > > > > > > There is another beneficial side effect, that being the ability to > > > > > > spend more time in the peaceful mode, the tranquility mode. Driving > > > > > > during the stressful hours of the commuter rush are a thing of the > > > > > > past and just watching the early morning news traffic report reminds > > > > > > me how lucky I am. Having to shop at crowded stores and markets > > > > > > are > > > > > > unnecessary and the list goes on. Consider it the Slipian Slant on > > > > > > Gruffian philosophy. Hope things work out for everyone out there > > > > > > wanting to have more time to enjoy life. > > > > > > Truth is, this economy downturn is getting more and more people > > > > > > interested in owning their own business and they are realizing that > > > > > > they can also make twice the money in half the time. An insurance > > > > > > adjuster friend lost his job a few years back and now he is making a > > > > > > ton of money as a "private" insurance adjuster handling claims for > > > > > > corporations and the private sector for a percentage of the > > > > > > settlement > > > > > > or the savings, depending on which side of the claim he is working. > > > > > > He can't believe that he wasted all those years working the daily > > > > > > grind. This economy might just be the wake up call for many people. > > > > > > I hope so because I'm sick of hearing about wage excesses for > > > > > > executives, its time the people on the bottom start to realize the > > > > > > value of their "time". > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 4:07 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > In the past few years I've become more and more aware of the > > > > > > > falsehood > > > > > > > in the ever-repeated phrase; I haven't got time, I didn't have the > > > > > > > time, etc. We all have the same amount of time, 24 hours every > > > > > > > day. It > > > > > > > would, of course, be more honest to say; this, that, or whatever, > > > > > > > isn't/wasn't important enough to me to take the time necessary to > > > > > > > occupy myself with it. This need not be negative, we set > > > > > > > priorities > > > > > > > all the time. Still, a little more awareness of this fact has > > > > > > > helped > > > > > > > me to see new areas in my life where I have the freedom to > > > > > > > rearrange > > > > > > > things; to realise how much I can actually determine myself. In > > > > > > > short, > > > > > > > to accept and appreciate my own freedom and responsibility. > > > > > > > > Or, as those deep-thinking philosophers Mick and Keith put it: > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLNv0NChe3Y > > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > > On 1 Apr., 12:40, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > We know that time exists, at least for us, here, within our > > > > > > > > awareness, > > > > > > > > unless you are one of those who deem time as an illusion. > > > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > even if time did not exist, one could watch a speck of dust > > > > > > > > fall and > > > > > > > > measure that interval and perceive it as time but its existence > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > the point. Time is like a commodity which we use, trade and > > > > > > > > measure. > > > > > > > > We can spend time, waste time, bide time, utilize time, consume > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > and even do time, among the numerous applications of time. > > > > > > > > Aside from > > > > > > > > the chronological measurement of time we also have the quality > > > > > > > > of time > > > > > > > > where something can happen at the right or wrong time or you > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > have the time of your life, what the Greeks called Kairos. Then > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is space time, time dilation, quantized time, relativistic and > > > > > > > > Newtonian time etc. Time is something we tend to view as > > > > > > > > acquiring in > > > > > > > > the form of accumulated time, as in I have a lot of time right > > > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > Personally I haven't had much time lately and haven't been able > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > respond to many reply posts, so I think now might be the right > > > > > > > > time to > > > > > > > > apologize to some of you, I guess you could say, in a timely > > > > > > > > manner. > > > > > > > > Ordinarily I try to avoid time as much as possible and only get > > > > > > > > caught > > > > > > > > up in it when interacting with someone else who lives by time, > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > is as of late in a coordinated project. I rarely know what > > > > > > > > time it is > > > > > > > > and if asked what time I want something done I usually reply, > > > > > > > > "whatever time is good for you". Because I have mostly freed > > > > > > > > myself of > > > > > > > > time constraints, I can sleep till I'm no longer tired, eat > > > > > > > > when I'm > > > > > > > > hungry and simply beat my own drum. This is not easy within a > > > > > > > > society > > > > > > > > that operates on global synchronicity. One could measure the > > > > > > > > durability of something simply by observing the outcome through > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > test of time. I don't really find much that stands the test of > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > these days but ultimately the earth and all its wonder > > > > > > > > certainly has, > > > > > > > > and sometimes love. The question is, do we really need time? > > > > > > > > Could > > > > > > > > we live without it? This is something that has been the > > > > > > > > subject of > > > > > > > > many philosophical discussions since, should I say?, the > > > > > > > > beginning of > > > > > > > > time. If time has a beginning shouldn't it have an end? I > > > > > > > > guess it > > > > > > > > does because we seem to confine ourselves within time segments > > > > > > > > and set > > > > > > > > forth various rules of time management, living by the clock, > > > > > > > > not just > > > > > > > > within a day but for some, every second, perhaps every > > > > > > > > millisecond > > > > > > > > counts. Oops, I'm running out of time! lol > > > > > > > > > So does time matter for you? How much are you affected by time? > > > > > > > > > Please take time to answer, if you have the time and if you > > > > > > > > don't then > > > > > > > > just make time. > > > > > > > > > At least give me the time of day!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
