Interesting in that you place it in the sense of brief episode void of sensory stimuli. The multi-dimensional aspect of course is key in adapting to the principle. Considering my experiences within the dream realm, semi-conscious and comatose states, I would have to say that I had experienced multi-dimension as such but would not define it similarly, as the descriptive, omnipresence, which for me, has always been solely a divinity attribute. You say it is a state that can be lived from and that is not disputed but for me each state was temporary and with interval lapses, not overlapping, or at least I may not have been aware that they were. Of course, depending upon one's theistic belief and the understanding of dualism, these dimensions may be immanent in nature, though I rather prefer the mixed bag view as it opens up the possibilities to a wider range of individuals. I guess I'm more conducive to a ubiquitious experience when I'm not so locked in or tied down to consciousness in the 3 dimensional world, which I guess is the impetus for inebrious activity.
On Apr 4, 7:29 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > I can only tell you what I have to say on that, Slip. I have > experienced time in myriad ways over the course of my life. Some > might think that it is a result of meditative practice. I think that > the mediation brings us to a place in consciousness where we can view > life unfolding in more subtle ways, which includes time. I think that > time is one dimension and we are multi dimensional creatures. There > are an infinite number of dimensions and each dimension is infinite. > My ability to include dimensionality into my view has improved over > the course of my life. > > Once my desire to meditate fell away because I became, more or less, > in a constant state of meditation, my change in view became > exponential. It seems to me that folks that have had a brief taste of > what Orn seems to be calling Ominpresence - or being everything and > all that is, will be or ever was - they think that it is only > something that can be achieved briefly and occasionally, because they > achieved it in a meditative state where they needed to remove > themselves from all sensory stimuli. I am here to say that it is a > state that can be lived from, that it is possible to maintain a > viewpoint that allows multidimensionality with breathe and depth (not > easily understood from a three dimensional viewpoint that applies only > linear time.) I can only say that it is easier to understand that we > are capable of mixed emotion - most folks can feel happiness, > apprehension, fear, anticipation all at the same time and do so > regularly. So it is with multidimensionality, and it becomes the > constant viewpoint eventually, if we can witness ourselves, understand > our consciousness, and allow all possibility. Our viewpoint becomes a > mixed bag of duality, non duality, time, individuality, ominpresence, > and an infinite number of other aspects that can be viewed and felt as > one. Most of us hop around from one viewpoint to the next, and we can > joyously, and we do so to fully feel our individual humanity and the > beauty of being alive. In my opinion, living from my infinite nature > brings the most joy into my life. Do I fear or worry, am I sometimes > angry etc? Sure. I live from and witness the limitation and the > unlimited within me and all around me. Not just pretty words. > Infinitely nesting paradoxes to be embraced. It is innate in everyone > - our birthright. > > On Apr 2, 9:52 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > And what would Albert have to say about that, Molly? > > > I guess to some degree it could be interpreted that way but I'm > > inclined to think that view negates time itself, even as linear. I > > can't perceive future happening simultaneous with past or present, > > variables inclusive. I think Pat may have some space time input on > > it. I'm not as familiar with space time as I am with spaced most > > time. > > > On Apr 2, 10:39 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Well, like it or not, everything is happening at once. We can see it > > > that way, or in a more linear fashion, which allows us the experience > > > of the many - or both! > > > > On Apr 1, 11:34 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I rather opt for the Einstein view, “The only reason for time is so > > > > that everything doesn't happen at once.” > > > > > On Apr 1, 9:43 pm, monkebus <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Time is how we coordinate our efforts of stacking things on top of > > > > > other things in an efficient manner > > > > > > On Apr 1, 8:07 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > as i've said elsewhere, when one finds only the eternal 'now'...all > > > > > > is > > > > > > well > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 4:48 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Your on the right track, fran, with the awareness of time > > > > > > > falsehoods. > > > > > > > That's what I thought about years ago, and so began to figure out > > > > > > > ways > > > > > > > to have more time for myself. Soon things started to fall into > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > and I never again worried about having a job but only thought of > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > to make more money in less time. The freedom is not the result of > > > > > > > wealth, but only because most people work at least four hours to > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > what I can make in one hour or less, which translates to 3 hours > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > free time for every hour that I work. Then of course it is > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > how you say, setting priorities and eliminating wasteful ventures > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > use up free time. I set my own schedules in order to take off > > > > > > > whenever I want, to get away, like a few hour run to the ocean or > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > jaunt out to the river for a lazy day, picnic style. My wife > > > > > > > substitutes at a couple of schools so she can allot time for us > > > > > > > whenever as well. I might add that utilities have dropped a great > > > > > > > deal with the use of several solar panels, a 12 volt battery > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > and a rain water reservoir, so the $avings also adds to the > > > > > > > freedom. > > > > > > > It is not just one thing that makes it work for me but several > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > working together in concert that ultimately pays off. > > > > > > > There is another beneficial side effect, that being the ability to > > > > > > > spend more time in the peaceful mode, the tranquility mode. > > > > > > > Driving > > > > > > > during the stressful hours of the commuter rush are a thing of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > past and just watching the early morning news traffic report > > > > > > > reminds > > > > > > > me how lucky I am. Having to shop at crowded stores and markets > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > unnecessary and the list goes on. Consider it the Slipian Slant > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > Gruffian philosophy. Hope things work out for everyone out there > > > > > > > wanting to have more time to enjoy life. > > > > > > > Truth is, this economy downturn is getting more and more people > > > > > > > interested in owning their own business and they are realizing > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > they can also make twice the money in half the time. An insurance > > > > > > > adjuster friend lost his job a few years back and now he is > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > ton of money as a "private" insurance adjuster handling claims for > > > > > > > corporations and the private sector for a percentage of the > > > > > > > settlement > > > > > > > or the savings, depending on which side of the claim he is > > > > > > > working. > > > > > > > He can't believe that he wasted all those years working the daily > > > > > > > grind. This economy might just be the wake up call for many > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > I hope so because I'm sick of hearing about wage excesses for > > > > > > > executives, its time the people on the bottom start to realize the > > > > > > > value of their "time". > > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 4:07 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In the past few years I've become more and more aware of the > > > > > > > > falsehood > > > > > > > > in the ever-repeated phrase; I haven't got time, I didn't have > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > time, etc. We all have the same amount of time, 24 hours every > > > > > > > > day. It > > > > > > > > would, of course, be more honest to say; this, that, or > > > > > > > > whatever, > > > > > > > > isn't/wasn't important enough to me to take the time necessary > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > occupy myself with it. This need not be negative, we set > > > > > > > > priorities > > > > > > > > all the time. Still, a little more awareness of this fact has > > > > > > > > helped > > > > > > > > me to see new areas in my life where I have the freedom to > > > > > > > > rearrange > > > > > > > > things; to realise how much I can actually determine myself. In > > > > > > > > short, > > > > > > > > to accept and appreciate my own freedom and responsibility. > > > > > > > > > Or, as those deep-thinking philosophers Mick and Keith put it: > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLNv0NChe3Y > > > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > > > On 1 Apr., 12:40, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We know that time exists, at least for us, here, within our > > > > > > > > > awareness, > > > > > > > > > unless you are one of those who deem time as an illusion. > > > > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > > even if time did not exist, one could watch a speck of dust > > > > > > > > > fall and > > > > > > > > > measure that interval and perceive it as time but its > > > > > > > > > existence is not > > > > > > > > > the point. Time is like a commodity which we use, trade and > > > > > > > > > measure. > > > > > > > > > We can spend time, waste time, bide time, utilize time, > > > > > > > > > consume time > > > > > > > > > and even do time, among the numerous applications of time. > > > > > > > > > Aside from > > > > > > > > > the chronological measurement of time we also have the > > > > > > > > > quality of time > > > > > > > > > where something can happen at the right or wrong time or you > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > have the time of your life, what the Greeks called Kairos. > > > > > > > > > Then there > > > > > > > > > is space time, time dilation, quantized time, relativistic and > > > > > > > > > Newtonian time etc. Time is something we tend to view as > > > > > > > > > acquiring in > > > > > > > > > the form of accumulated time, as in I have a lot of time > > > > > > > > > right now. > > > > > > > > > Personally I haven't had much time lately and haven't been > > > > > > > > > able to > > > > > > > > > respond to many reply posts, so I think now might be the > > > > > > > > > right time to > > > > > > > > > apologize to some of you, I guess you could say, in a timely > > > > > > > > > manner. > > > > > > > > > Ordinarily I try to avoid time as much as possible and only > > > > > > > > > get caught > > > > > > > > > up in it when interacting with someone else who lives by > > > > > > > > > time, which > > > > > > > > > is as of late in a coordinated project. I rarely know what > > > > > > > > > time it is > > > > > > > > > and if asked what time I want something done I usually reply, > > > > > > > > > "whatever time is good for you". Because I have mostly freed > > > > > > > > > myself of > > > > > > > > > time constraints, I can sleep till I'm no longer tired, eat > > > > > > > > > when I'm > > > > > > > > > hungry and simply beat my own drum. This is not easy within a > > > > > > > > > society > > > > > > > > > that operates on global synchronicity. One could measure the > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
