It would be easier if it was just two sides to the story. The problem is multifaceted and inflamed and encouraged by the surrounding countries and the U.S. I have no doubt that without our support Israel as it is now wouldn't exist. As a Westerner, I feel threatened by radical Islam and I feel the need to support Israel. Ahmadinejad and his ilk anger me. I don't want to talk to him; I want to squash him like a little bug. I loath him.
As a Palestinian, what do you think of Hamas and Hezbollah? Do they help more then they hurt? Why are they allowed to set up shop under schools and mosques and hospitals or is this all Jewish propaganda? The anti-Jewish sentiment, especially after the Madoff scam came to light, is strong now. I think it's unfair. What is the answer? When Israel gives up ground for the sake of peace it seems that ground is used to get rockets closer to the heart of the city. What gets called oppression looks more like a reaction to Palestinian aggression to me. More protective then oppressive. Why don't surrounding countries like Jordan and Egypt and Iran and Syria help Palestine more? I think most of their aid comes from the EU. Aid to Hamas doesn't count; they are more a militant group then a political group. I didn't mean to deluge you with questions although that is exactly what I've done. If you or anyone else on this forum could steer me to a website or books that can help answer these questions without rabid anti-Jewish hate speech I'd be grateful. If the answers were easy we wouldn't be having these problems. dj On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > Being Palestinian myself, there is truth that I shall not deny just > because I happen to be the protagonist/antagonist however outsiders > would view it, the holocaust did exist and no matter what anyone says, > it was morally wrong. Boy, don't we love to remain victimized because > our own sacrament is currently suffering. We cannot justify a means > by ridiculing an equally important means, however long ago it > occurred. Societies as a whole face or will face some type of > erroneous epidemic; in the end innocent people will die. > > I've heard alot of bullshit, the Jews seek revenge in the Palestinians > due to what efficated from the holocaust, the Jews are reacting > towards the Palestinians the same way the Germans did; they are > hypocrites, blah, blah, blah. When it really comes down to it, the > Israeli/ Palestinian officials don't want peace. Why? Think about > it. Yasser Arafat and Ariel Sharon died classified as being a couple > of the wealthiest men in the world. War is a monetary funder. Noone > really cares about the people. The starving, forced out of their > homes and brutally murdered people. The unsuspecting innocent > bystanders waiting to catch the next bus. There are always two sides > to a story open your eyes, stop the evil. War brings in money, piles > and lumps of money. The officials get to glorify themselves as they > screech...Kill, Kill, Kill, whilst smoking a cigar waiting for the > next hand of cards to be dealt, joyfully laughing, while their patrons > pay a heavy price. > > There is no peace, never will be. > > On Apr 22, 6:56 pm, Michael Berkovits <[email protected]> wrote: >> Genocide refers purely to the systematic killing of an identifiable >> group, for the very sake of that killing. >> >> While it's tempting to characterize any political or social situation >> you don't like as a holocaust or genocide, it's simply linguistically >> incorrect. >> >> One potentially useful way to view the difference is as follows. The >> law distinguishes between first degree murder (planned killing), >> second degree murder (intentional killing in the heat of the moment), >> and reckless murder (a killing that results from intentional disregard >> of risky / violent behavior, without sufficient attention to the >> consequences). >> >> A genocide has to involve first degree murder of civilians. Even a >> regime guilty of lots of reckless murders - which is what critics of >> Israel would say about Israel (e.g., referring to bombings of >> suspected militiamen that also kill civilians), though obviously that >> would be hotly disputed by supporters - isn't a genocidal regime >> unless it sets out to kill lots of civilians for the very sake of >> doing so. >> >> On Apr 22, 3:01 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I don't have a problem with the holocaust that occurred in Germany and else >> > where ins Europe. What I do have a problem with is the holocaust that is >> > going on today in the Gaza strip on a much larger scale.. Israel regularly >> > cut of food and medicine, goes in and destroys everything in they path >> > killing men women and children showing no remorse. >> > Originally Israel given was some land that was bought by England to make a >> > home for the displaced Jews of Europe (Please note they abandon their claim >> > their years ago and it had evolved into a more or less peaceful Arab state. >> > That was not enough to satisfy their jewish greed so they got it expanded >> > by >> > a UN Charter. This same greed is what caused them problems in Europe and >> > is >> > the root cause of the holocaust in the first place. (One of those cause >> > and effect things) That was not enough so they took some more land that >> > they >> > had no right to. So the real truth is Israel is occupied Palestine. and >> > that >> > is the root cause of the problems in the world today. >> > The real shame comes from the fact that we are letting the holocaust occur >> > again today.. Oops sorry, I am wrong the Holocaust can only occur against >> > Jews, Palestinians are a non people that have no value. >> > Allan >> >> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > You had better check your THC receptors, orn! >> >> > > On Apr 21, 5:56 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > Slip, when I approved that post, I was thinking of you!....NOT! :-) >> >> > > > On Apr 21, 11:20 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > No problem! You Da Boss! >> >> > > > > It's a personal annoyance stemming from other forums in which radical >> > > > > extremists slam dunk gobs of religious text into a thread that has >> > > > > not >> > > > > the slightest bit of religious topic. As with his posts in the Dow >> > > > > Jones forum, it is simply intrusive garbage. >> > > > > My apologies for succumbing to the lessor of my emotions. >> > > > > I'm just a human bean. >> >> > > > > On Apr 21, 12:10 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> >> > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > You want me to moderate him because he is anti-semetic? Aren't we >> > > all >> > > > > > anti-something in here? We all have causes against which we fight >> > > > > > or >> > > > > > for which we support. Just because he happens to be wrong, and >> > > > > > just >> > > > > > because it happens to be truely ignorant, and just because his >> > > > > > cause >> > > > > > is truely unpopular doesn't mean he should be moderated because of >> > > > > > it. >> > > > > > If he's a troller, then he won't be back. If he comes back, and >> > > > > > attacks individuals and is consistently patently offensive, then we >> > > > > > will consider moderating him, but asking for moderation after only >> > > one >> > > > > > post is a little extreme. >> > > > > > On Apr 21, 10:20 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > I would also add that someone who would enter the Dow Jones >> > > Industrial >> > > > > > > Average Index forum in order to inject Religious nonsense should >> > > > > > > be >> > > > > > > summarily banned. Their is no intent by this poster other than >> > > > > > > radical intrusion. Moderators? >> >> > > > > > > On Apr 21, 11:10 am, frantheman <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > munna, there are plenty of sites and groups on the web where >> > > holocaust- >> > > > > > > > deniers ply their pitiful, hate-filled delusions (sadly); I >> > > suggest >> > > > > > > > you take yourself off there if you want to post crap like this. >> >> > > > > > > > I am perfectly willing to discuss issues concerning the >> > > > > > > > treatment >> > > of >> > > > > > > > the Palestinians by the state of Israel, their Arab neighbours >> > > and the >> > > > > > > > world in general since 1948 on an appropriate thread - we might >> > > even >> > > > > > > > find ourselves in agreement on many points. >> >> > > > > > > > I will not discuss the holocaust with someone who denies its >> > > existence >> > > > > > > > or tries to justify it. I suggest you form a group of two with >> > > > > > > > President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and leave the rest of us alone. >> >> > > > > > > > Francis >> >> > > > > > > > On 21 Apr., 12:15, munna akram <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > its fake... Jews just want to take sympathy, nothing else.... >> > > > > > > > > Fooling the whole world to get hard earned money of germans >> > > since 70 years in the form of taxes..... >> >> > > > > > > > > Read New world order, you will get everything. >> >> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- >> > > > > > > > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> > > > > > > > > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:16:54 PM >> > > > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: holocust >> >> > > > > > > > > I actualy disagree. >> >> > > > > > > > > I think anybody not able to laugh in the face of tradgerdie >> > > > > > > > > is >> > > missing >> > > > > > > > > some part of themselves. >> >> > > > > > > > > On 20 Apr, 23:57, rosa castro <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > to think that anybody would poke fun at the expense of >> > > millions of Jews is >> > > > > > > > > > disgusting. 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