"...kids there tend to be more alert as their interaction
with others is plentiful..." - Rose

Yep...if one acts like a wounded animal, one can die. To survive, one
MUST remain alert. Not a 'bad' trait, but one not needed as much (less
stress) in other environments.

On May 6, 6:08 am, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes Lee, the key is that you helped yourself change.  You are the one
> who did it.  People can offer their advice and try to assist one into
> becoming a better person, overall it's the person that will make the
> change.
>
> But then again as I write this, I do have something contradictory to
> the thought.  The power of influence and peer pressure does also
> affect a person's behavior.  They say if you walk with a bunch of
> geese you will soon grow feathers.  The idea works either with
> negative or positive peer influence.  I'm not saying everyone is
> affected by the group, but few are not.
>
> I know what growing up in a big family was like, we all change as we
> grow up.  The ones that don't are the ones we worry about.
>
> Allan,
>
> Sheltered in what way?  The countryside?  I've lived in many places
> including Jerusalem, I know with age I'll grow wiser, but I've seen
> much and can adapt to any type of living.  Although I grew up in the
> city, I was pretty much raised as a farm girl, believe it or not.  My
> parents unwillingness to purchase manufactured food products, taught
> us how to make cheese, yogurt, churn butter, grow herbs and
> vegetables, wash clothes by hand, they were very stubborn.  As far as
> sheltered, location wise, yes.  People wise, no.  NY being the melting
> pot that it is, offers an introduction to an array of ethnic people
> and races.  You learn from others, like us, people practiced their
> traditional home style life.  But there is a danger to the mix of
> ethnicities, a large lack of trust amongst people, which leads to
> crime, poverty, and racism.  I've seen quite a few disturbances.
> Girl's getting their faces razored by other girls, one girl carved her
> initials onto the forehead of another girl, a woman shoved onto the
> train tracks, druggies taking shots, a guy walking barefoot through
> the streets enraged carrying a shotgun, destructive car chase which
> hit three ppl walking on the sidewalk, robbery, organized crime rings,
> people jumping out of 3rd floor apt buildings due to a fire, domestic
> violence (a man once dragged a woman down the exterior stairs by her
> hair, noone did anything fear of getting harassed by him), I've seen a
> girl getting raped on the school staircase I told the school guard, it
> was hard living there as a teenager.  Today's crime has decreased in
> comparison with the early nineties, but I wouldn't want to live there
> again.  My parents own two homes in Brooklyn, I do love to visit.
>
> Now there are also positive things to growing up in the city.  Gain of
> street smarts, kids there tend to be more alert as their interaction
> with others is plentiful (they'll buy you and sell you at the same
> time), fearlessness, and an acceptance of other's that are different.
> One can't forget the development of ethnic subcities, such a China
> Town, Little Italy, the Russian District, I also noticed how a part of
> Bay Ridge has evolved into a huge Middle Eastern section, that's
> something new to me.  I haven't lived there since 95.  But I'll never
> forget it.  Boy did I ramble.
>
> On May 6, 4:30 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have to disgree with that Rosey.
>
> > Isn't it the very fact that we can overcome our base behviours that
> > seperates us somewhat from all the other animals?
>
> > I'm the oldest of 16 children and in my youth I used to bully my
> > siblings something rotten.  One day after giveing some thought as to
> > the consequences of my action upon my younger siblings I decided to
> > change my ways, and change them I did.
>
> > We certianly do have the ability to 'help ourselves' I would say that
> > rather it is harder for the individual to contemplate their Selves, in
> > an effert to understand their short comings than it is to attempt to
> > change them.
>
> > On 5 May, 16:32, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I must agree with Chris.  Humans are born selfish, they can't help
> > > themselves nor do they have the ability to.  They only have reliance
> > > on what others can provide for them.  Doing good for others is taught
> > > and slowly learned.  They say by the age of three a child's behavioral
> > > pattern is established and cannot be changed, only influenced.
>
> > > On May 5, 11:11 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Why do you think this? The basic nature of an animal is to amass 
> > > > resources and procreate. Kindness and altruism is a learned social 
> > > > behaviour, not a core trait.
>
> > > > [ Attached Message ]From:iam deheretic 
> > > > <[email protected]>To:[email protected]:Tue, 5 May 2009 
> > > > 10:15:37 +0200Local:Tues, May 5 2009 4:15 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: 
> > > > The Way it is Now
>
> > > > Personally I think people are very good and kind , it is built into 
> > > > their
> > > > core being and no escaping it,, the real problem comes from the few who 
> > > > for
> > > > their own gain what ever the reason turn away from this basic goodness 
> > > > and
> > > > create the hardships and problems that are commonly labled as evil.
> > > > Allan
>
> > > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:56 AM, ornamentalmind 
> > > > <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > > > > Of course if one is looking for a collective mentality…it is already
> > > > > here. If one isn’t aware of it, then yes, one most likely is
> > > > > manifesting some of what you call negative aspects. This is why the
> > > > > only way to this full unity is through full and totally transcendental
> > > > > introspection. Until the psyche is clarified, the confusion, illusion,
> > > > > hatreds, disillusionments etc. will be all that is seen.
>
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> > > >  )
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