On May 18, 2:30 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have a better idea. Let's begin with how you purport to break free from
> the trap that minds such as Kant could not.
>
> Atheists recognize that reality is subjective. You look down upon that in
> your opening salvos (an apt word, since you seem to be here to wage a war of
> words. I would like to take this opportunity to point you to the posting
> guidelines, specifically, the points regarding ad hominem).
OMPREM: Pointing out the logical and factual errors of the atheist
belief system is just that and nothing more. If an atheist feels under
attack as a result of having the core of his belief exposed as error
it is because he mistakenly thinks he has nothing left to fall back on
and he finds that threatening.
> How, as a human being, bound by your own subjective senses, do you propose
> to reach an objective gnosis, and thus proselytize and judge the spiritual
> level and state of your fellow man?
OMPREM: Forget about subjective and objective. That is yet another
plea for the supremacy of empiricism in areas that are beyond its
jurisdiction.
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:19 PM, omprem <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Atheists claim to operate in a world of reason and logic but do so
> > poorly. Because they insist on living in a relative world logical
> > reasoning can be applied to them because logical reasoning only works
> > in a relative world..
>
> > Let's begin by looking at their addiction to sense impression. They
> > believe those sense impressions deliver a true version of reality but
> > never once wonder how those senses which are subject to failure, to
> > be being interpreted according to the biases of the atheist, and
> > having limits in what they are able to sense are able to present
> > reality at all. Atheists mistakenly believe that the limit of what
> > they are able to perceive is the limit of what is.
>
> > On May 18, 11:11 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Man that's quite the claim to make. Now I'd like to see you back that
> > > one up without recourse to logical reasoning.
>
> > > On 18 May, 13:41, omprem <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 18, 7:53 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Bah Slip you are a one huh.
>
> > > > > Come now there are no sheep here, free thinkers all,
>
> > > > OMPREM: When it comes to atheists they are neither free nor do they
> > > > think.
>
> > > > Atheists are not free because they are addicted to sense impression
> > > > and the pleasures that can be derived therefrom; because they are
> > > > addicted to the appearance of thought in their minds apparently
> > > > mistakenly believing that because they can ideate something it must
> > > > therefore be true; and because they preoccupied with aggrandizing
> > > > their mistaken notion of have being an individuated ego. Atheists
> > > > cannot think because they are addicted to their own bias and what
> > > > passes for thought for them is merely attempts to prop up and project
> > > > their bias. Every statement of atheism rests on a shaky foundation of
> > > > logical and factual error.
>
> > > > and you know
>
> > > > > that. As to my post, well I saw that nobody had yet made a go of the
> > > > > thread, and lacking any other data I went with the tilte and so
> > posted
> > > > > in that vein.
>
> > > > > We can all sit there and moan about the qaulity of the thread or the
> > > > > lack of direction from the OP, or we can choose to try and make
> > > > > something of it. Ironic isn't it how you say that you are not a
> > > > > lemming and yet ask for direction in the same post!
>
> > > > > On 18 May, 04:18, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I had posted early on as to the vagueness of the initial thread, I
> > see
> > > > > > it has been removed. The OP was also initially responded to very
> > > > > > appropriately by Ian. The subject has still yet to be revealed.
> > I'm
> > > > > > not a lemming that needs to follow suit with those who think the OP
> > is
> > > > > > asking for book suggestions.
>
> > > > > > On May 17, 10:00 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > What were your suggestions, Slip?
>
> > > > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I was thinking more like yada yada one track mind, ID.
>
> > > > > > > > On May 17, 9:04 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I have read or rather examined someof your titles,, for me
> > they fall
> > > > > > > > under
> > > > > > > > > the catagory of yaddah yaddah gobblegook. so I never finished
> > reading
> > > > > > > > them.
> > > > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM, omprem <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Meditation
> > Bibliography
> > > > > > > > > > Meditation
> > > > > > > > > > 1. Meditation and Mantras. Swami Vishnu Devananda, Om
> > Lotus
> > > > > > > > > > Publishing
> > > > > > > > > > Company, 243 W 24 St., New York, New York, 10011.
> > ISBN
> > > > > > > > > > 0.931546.01.X
> > > > > > > > > > To order: Sivananda Ashram Yoga Camp, Val Morin,
> > Quebec, J0T
> > > > > > > > > > 2R0
> > > > > > > > > > phone: 1-800-263-YOGA (9642) or e-mail:
> > [email protected]
>
> > > > > > > > > > 2. Journey of Awakening: A Meditator’s Guidebook. Ram
> > Dass, Bantam
> > > > > > > > > > New Age
> > > > > > > > > > Books, 1540 Broadway,New York, New York, 10036. ISBN
> > > > > > > > > > 0-553-28572-6
>
> > > > > > > > > > 3. Practical Mysticism. Evelyn Underhill. Ariel Press,
> > 205-289 S.
> > > > > > > > > > Main St. Alpharetta,
> > > > > > > > > > GA 30201, USA (1-800-335-7769).
>
> > > > > > > > > > 4. Awakening Life Force: The Philosophy and Psychology of
> > “Spontaneous
> > > > > > > > > > Yoga”
> > > > > > > > > > Swami Rajarshi Muni, Llewellyn Publications, St. Paul,
> > Minn.
> > > > > > > > > > 55164-0383, U.S.A.
> > > > > > > > > > ISBN 0-87542-581-X
>
> > > > > > > > > > Ayurveda
> > > > > > > > > > 5. Ayurveda and the Mind: the Healing of Consciousness.
> > David
> > > > > > > > > > Frawley. Lotus
> > > > > > > > > > Press, PO Box 325, Twin Lakes, Wisconsin, USA 53181.
> > ISBN
> > > > > > > > > > 0-914955-36-5
>
> > > > > > > > > > 6. The Ayurvedic Cookbook: a Personalized Guide to Good
> > Nutrition and
> > > > > > > > > > Health.
> > > > > > > > > > Amadea Morningstar with Urmila Desai, Lotus Press, PO
> > Box 325,
> > > > > > > > > > Twin Lakes, WI
> > > > > > > > > > 53181. ISBN 0.914955.06.3
>
> > > > > > > > > > 7. Yoga & Ayurveda. David Frawley. Lotus Press, PO Box
> > 325, Twin
> > > > > > > > > > Lakes, Wisconsin,
> > > > > > > > > > USA 53181. ISBN 0-914955-81-0
>
> > > > > > > > > > Hatha Yoga
> > > > > > > > > > 8. Yoga Mind and Body. Sivananda Yoga Vedanta Center,
> > London.
> > > > > > > > > > Fireside Books
> > > > > > > > > > Ltd., Willowdale, ON Canada. ISBN 1-55209-013-2
>
> > > > > > > > > > 9. The Sivananda Companion to Yoga. Sivananda Yoga
> > Vedanta Center
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > Gaia Books Limited, London. Simon and Schuster, New
> > York, New
> > > > > > > > > > York.
> > > > > > > > > > ISBN 0.671.47088.4
>
> > > > > > > > > > 10. Light on Yoga. B.K.S. Iyengar, Schoken Books, George
> > Allen &
> > > > > > > > > > Unwin
> > > > > > > > > > (Publishers) Ltd., New York, New York. ISBN
> > 0-8052-0610-8
>
> > > > > > > > > > 11. The Breathing Book: Good Healthy and Vitality Through
> > Essential
> > > > > > > > > > Breath Work.
> > > > > > > > > > Donna Farhi. An Owl Book, Henry Holt and Company
> > Inc., New
> > > > > > > > > > York, New York.
> > > > > > > > > > (In Canada: Fitzhenry & Whiteside Ltd.) ISBN
> > 0-8050-4297-0
>
> > > > > > > > > > On-Line Resources
> > > > > > > > > > 12. Himalayan Academy. An excellent source of free on-line
> > books,
> > > > > > > > > > including a thorough
> > > > > > > > > > glossary with the Merging With Siva on-line book.
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/index.shtml
>
> > > > > > > > > > 13. Website of Swami Jnaneshvara Bharati, devoted entirely
> > to Yogic
> > > > > > > > > > Meditation with a
> > > > > > > > > > large amount of free on-line information and books:
> > > > > > > > > >http://swamij.com/index.htm
>
> > > > > > > > > > 14. Vedantic scriptures:
> >http://www.celextel.org/index.htm
>
> > > > > > > > > > 15. Divine Live Society:
> > > > > > > > > >http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/download/download.htm
>
> > > > > > > > > > On May 13, 8:16 pm, "[email protected]" <
> > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > What books and authors on the subject do you recommend
> > and why?
>
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