Pointing out that all atheist statements about atheism and indeed about religion are are based on logical and/or factual error is part of rational discourse. I understand why atheists might be upset and feel insulted or that they are being 'talked down to' because if they are suddenly vulnerable when faced the the factual and logical falseness of their belief system and being vulnerable they react by striking out. But attacking the messenger doesn't change the truth of the message and the the attack tends to prove lack of substance behind atheism.
On May 19, 1:58 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > Can you respond to anyone here without being insulting and talking > down to people? > > On May 18, 2:53 pm, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I, of course, refer to all atheists. All their statements about > > atheism and indeed about religion are are based on logical and/or > > factual error. > > > On May 18, 3:59 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I don't know what atheists your speaking of, but they are not the ones > > > I know and respect. > > > > On May 18, 9:19 am, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Atheists claim to operate in a world of reason and logic but do so > > > > poorly. Because they insist on living in a relative world logical > > > > reasoning can be applied to them because logical reasoning only works > > > > in a relative world.. > > > > > Let's begin by looking at their addiction to sense impression. They > > > > believe those sense impressions deliver a true version of reality but > > > > never once wonder how those senses which are subject to failure, to > > > > be being interpreted according to the biases of the atheist, and > > > > having limits in what they are able to sense are able to present > > > > reality at all. Atheists mistakenly believe that the limit of what > > > > they are able to perceive is the limit of what is. > > > > > On May 18, 11:11 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Man that's quite the claim to make. Now I'd like to see you back that > > > > > one up without recourse to logical reasoning. > > > > > > On 18 May, 13:41, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 18, 7:53 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bah Slip you are a one huh. > > > > > > > > Come now there are no sheep here, free thinkers all, > > > > > > > OMPREM: When it comes to atheists they are neither free nor do they > > > > > > think. > > > > > > > Atheists are not free because they are addicted to sense impression > > > > > > and the pleasures that can be derived therefrom; because they are > > > > > > addicted to the appearance of thought in their minds apparently > > > > > > mistakenly believing that because they can ideate something it must > > > > > > therefore be true; and because they preoccupied with aggrandizing > > > > > > their mistaken notion of have being an individuated ego. Atheists > > > > > > cannot think because they are addicted to their own bias and what > > > > > > passes for thought for them is merely attempts to prop up and > > > > > > project > > > > > > their bias. Every statement of atheism rests on a shaky foundation > > > > > > of > > > > > > logical and factual error. > > > > > > > and you know > > > > > > > > that. As to my post, well I saw that nobody had yet made a go of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > thread, and lacking any other data I went with the tilte and so > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > in that vein. > > > > > > > > We can all sit there and moan about the qaulity of the thread or > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > lack of direction from the OP, or we can choose to try and make > > > > > > > something of it. Ironic isn't it how you say that you are not a > > > > > > > lemming and yet ask for direction in the same post! > > > > > > > > On 18 May, 04:18, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I had posted early on as to the vagueness of the initial > > > > > > > > thread, I see > > > > > > > > it has been removed. The OP was also initially responded to > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > appropriately by Ian. The subject has still yet to be > > > > > > > > revealed. I'm > > > > > > > > not a lemming that needs to follow suit with those who think > > > > > > > > the OP is > > > > > > > > asking for book suggestions. > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 10:00 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What were your suggestions, Slip? > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Slip Disc > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking more like yada yada one track mind, ID. > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 9:04 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I have read or rather examined someof your titles,, for > > > > > > > > > > > me they fall > > > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > the catagory of yaddah yaddah gobblegook. so I never > > > > > > > > > > > finished reading > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM, omprem <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meditation Bibliography > > > > > > > > > > > > Meditation > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Meditation and Mantras. Swami Vishnu Devananda, Om > > > > > > > > > > > > Lotus > > > > > > > > > > > > Publishing > > > > > > > > > > > > Company, 243 W 24 St., New York, New York, 10011. > > > > > > > > > > > > ISBN > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.931546.01.X > > > > > > > > > > > > To order: Sivananda Ashram Yoga Camp, Val Morin, > > > > > > > > > > > > Quebec, J0T > > > > > > > > > > > > 2R0 > > > > > > > > > > > > phone: 1-800-263-YOGA (9642) or e-mail: > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Journey of Awakening: A Meditator’s Guidebook. Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > Dass, Bantam > > > > > > > > > > > > New Age > > > > > > > > > > > > Books, 1540 Broadway,New York, New York, 10036. > > > > > > > > > > > > ISBN > > > > > > > > > > > > 0-553-28572-6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Practical Mysticism. Evelyn Underhill. Ariel > > > > > > > > > > > > Press, 205-289 S. > > > > > > > > > > > > Main St. Alpharetta, > > > > > > > > > > > > GA 30201, USA (1-800-335-7769). > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Awakening Life Force: The Philosophy and Psychology > > > > > > > > > > > > of “Spontaneous > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga” > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Rajarshi Muni, Llewellyn Publications, St. > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul, Minn. > > > > > > > > > > > > 55164-0383, U.S.A. > > > > > > > > > > > > ISBN 0-87542-581-X > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayurveda > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Ayurveda and the Mind: the Healing of > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness. David > > > > > > > > > > > > Frawley. Lotus > > > > > > > > > > > > Press, PO Box 325, Twin Lakes, Wisconsin, USA > > > > > > > > > > > > 53181. ISBN > > > > > > > > > > > > 0-914955-36-5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. The Ayurvedic Cookbook: a Personalized Guide to > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Nutrition and > > > > > > > > > > > > Health. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amadea Morningstar with Urmila Desai, Lotus Press, > > > > > > > > > > > > PO Box 325, > > > > > > > > > > > > Twin Lakes, WI > > > > > > > > > > > > 53181. ISBN 0.914955.06.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. Yoga & Ayurveda. David Frawley. Lotus Press, PO > > > > > > > > > > > > Box 325, Twin > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakes, Wisconsin, > > > > > > > > > > > > USA 53181. ISBN 0-914955-81-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hatha Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Yoga Mind and Body. Sivananda Yoga Vedanta > > > > > > > > > > > > Center, London. > > > > > > > > > > > > Fireside Books > > > > > > > > > > > > Ltd., Willowdale, ON Canada. ISBN 1-55209-013-2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. The Sivananda Companion to Yoga. Sivananda Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedanta Center > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaia Books Limited, London. Simon and Schuster, > > > > > > > > > > > > New York, New > > > > > > > > > > > > York. > > > > > > > > > > > > ISBN 0.671.47088.4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Light on Yoga. B.K.S. Iyengar, Schoken Books, > > > > > > > > > > > > George Allen & > > > > > > > > > > > > Unwin > > > > > > > > > > > > (Publishers) Ltd., New York, New York. ISBN > > > > > > > > > > > > 0-8052-0610-8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11. The Breathing Book: Good Healthy and Vitality > > > > > > > > > > > > Through Essential > > > > > > > > > > > > Breath Work. > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna Farhi. An Owl Book, Henry Holt and > > > > > > > > > > > > Company Inc., New > > > > > > > > > > > > York, New York. > > > > > > > > > > > > (In Canada: Fitzhenry & Whiteside Ltd.) ISBN > > > > > > > > > > > > 0-8050-4297-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On-Line Resources > > > > > > > > > > > > 12. Himalayan Academy. An excellent source of free > > > > > > > > > > > > on-line books, > > > > > > > > > > > > including a thorough > > > > > > > > > > > > glossary with the Merging With Siva on-line book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/index.shtml > > > > > > > > > > > > > 13. Website of Swami Jnaneshvara Bharati, devoted > > > > > > > > > > > > entirely to Yogic > > > > > > > > > > > > Meditation with a > > > > > > > > > > > > large amount of free on-line information and > > > > > > > > > > > > books: > > > > > > > > > > > >http://swamij.com/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > 14. Vedantic scriptures: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.celextel.org/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15. Divine Live Society: > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/download/download.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 13, 8:16 pm, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > What books and authors on the subject do you > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommend and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
