Your saying so doesn't make it so. As stated previously, I can understand your sudden feeling of vulnerability at having to face the facts of your belief system being grounded entirely on factual and/or logical error and being unable to refute/justify the errors I point out. But I can help you through this crises of faith you are having in the religion of atheism.
On May 20, 5:33 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > Your rhetoric is pure sophistry aimed to irritate and demean. I am > herewith asking the powers that be on this forum to ban you from > participation with and the company of those who have proven themselves > time and again to be rational, even-handed, fair and at times even > logical. > > On May 20, 5:45 am, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Pointing out that all atheist statements about atheism and indeed > > about religion are are based on logical and/or > > factual error is part of rational discourse. I understand why > > atheists might be upset and feel insulted or that they are being > > 'talked down to' because if they are suddenly vulnerable when faced > > the the factual and logical falseness of their belief system and being > > vulnerable they react by striking out. But attacking the messenger > > doesn't change the truth of the message and the the attack tends to > > prove lack of substance behind atheism. > > > On May 19, 1:58 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Can you respond to anyone here without being insulting and talking > > > down to people? > > > > On May 18, 2:53 pm, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I, of course, refer to all atheists. All their statements about > > > > atheism and indeed about religion are are based on logical and/or > > > > factual error. > > > > > On May 18, 3:59 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I don't know what atheists your speaking of, but they are not the ones > > > > > I know and respect. > > > > > > On May 18, 9:19 am, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Atheists claim to operate in a world of reason and logic but do so > > > > > > poorly. Because they insist on living in a relative world logical > > > > > > reasoning can be applied to them because logical reasoning only > > > > > > works > > > > > > in a relative world.. > > > > > > > Let's begin by looking at their addiction to sense impression. They > > > > > > believe those sense impressions deliver a true version of reality > > > > > > but > > > > > > never once wonder how those senses which are subject to failure, to > > > > > > be being interpreted according to the biases of the atheist, and > > > > > > having limits in what they are able to sense are able to present > > > > > > reality at all. Atheists mistakenly believe that the limit of what > > > > > > they are able to perceive is the limit of what is. > > > > > > > On May 18, 11:11 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Man that's quite the claim to make. Now I'd like to see you back > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > one up without recourse to logical reasoning. > > > > > > > > On 18 May, 13:41, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 7:53 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bah Slip you are a one huh. > > > > > > > > > > Come now there are no sheep here, free thinkers all, > > > > > > > > > OMPREM: When it comes to atheists they are neither free nor do > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > think. > > > > > > > > > Atheists are not free because they are addicted to sense > > > > > > > > impression > > > > > > > > and the pleasures that can be derived therefrom; because they > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > addicted to the appearance of thought in their minds apparently > > > > > > > > mistakenly believing that because they can ideate something it > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > therefore be true; and because they preoccupied with > > > > > > > > aggrandizing > > > > > > > > their mistaken notion of have being an individuated ego. > > > > > > > > Atheists > > > > > > > > cannot think because they are addicted to their own bias and > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > passes for thought for them is merely attempts to prop up and > > > > > > > > project > > > > > > > > their bias. Every statement of atheism rests on a shaky > > > > > > > > foundation of > > > > > > > > logical and factual error. > > > > > > > > > and you know > > > > > > > > > > that. As to my post, well I saw that nobody had yet made a > > > > > > > > > go of the > > > > > > > > > thread, and lacking any other data I went with the tilte and > > > > > > > > > so posted > > > > > > > > > in that vein. > > > > > > > > > > We can all sit there and moan about the qaulity of the thread > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > lack of direction from the OP, or we can choose to try and > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > something of it. Ironic isn't it how you say that you are > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > lemming and yet ask for direction in the same post! > > > > > > > > > > On 18 May, 04:18, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I had posted early on as to the vagueness of the initial > > > > > > > > > > thread, I see > > > > > > > > > > it has been removed. The OP was also initially responded > > > > > > > > > > to very > > > > > > > > > > appropriately by Ian. The subject has still yet to be > > > > > > > > > > revealed. I'm > > > > > > > > > > not a lemming that needs to follow suit with those who > > > > > > > > > > think the OP is > > > > > > > > > > asking for book suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 10:00 pm, Chris Jenkins > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > What were your suggestions, Slip? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Slip Disc > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking more like yada yada one track mind, ID. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 9:04 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read or rather examined someof your titles,, > > > > > > > > > > > > > for me they fall > > > > > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > > > the catagory of yaddah yaddah gobblegook. so I never > > > > > > > > > > > > > finished reading > > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM, omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meditation Bibliography > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meditation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Meditation and Mantras. Swami Vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devananda, Om Lotus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Publishing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Company, 243 W 24 St., New York, New York, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10011. ISBN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.931546.01.X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To order: Sivananda Ashram Yoga Camp, Val > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morin, Quebec, J0T > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2R0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone: 1-800-263-YOGA (9642) or e-mail: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Journey of Awakening: A Meditator’s Guidebook. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram Dass, Bantam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Age > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Books, 1540 Broadway,New York, New York, 10036. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ISBN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0-553-28572-6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Practical Mysticism. Evelyn Underhill. Ariel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Press, 205-289 S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main St. Alpharetta, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GA 30201, USA (1-800-335-7769). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Awakening Life Force: The Philosophy and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychology of “Spontaneous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga” > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Rajarshi Muni, Llewellyn Publications, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > St. Paul, Minn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 55164-0383, U.S.A. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ISBN 0-87542-581-X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayurveda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Ayurveda and the Mind: the Healing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness. David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frawley. Lotus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Press, PO Box 325, Twin Lakes, Wisconsin, USA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 53181. ISBN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0-914955-36-5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. The Ayurvedic Cookbook: a Personalized Guide to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Nutrition and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Health. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amadea Morningstar with Urmila Desai, Lotus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Press, PO Box 325, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Twin Lakes, WI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 53181. ISBN 0.914955.06.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. Yoga & Ayurveda. David Frawley. Lotus Press, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PO Box 325, Twin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakes, Wisconsin, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > USA 53181. ISBN 0-914955-81-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hatha Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Yoga Mind and Body. Sivananda Yoga Vedanta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Center, London. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fireside Books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ltd., Willowdale, ON Canada. ISBN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1-55209-013-2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. The Sivananda Companion to Yoga. Sivananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga Vedanta Center > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaia Books Limited, London. Simon and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Schuster, New York, New > > > > > > > > > > > > > > York. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ISBN 0.671.47088.4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Light on Yoga. B.K.S. Iyengar, Schoken Books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George Allen & > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unwin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Publishers) Ltd., New York, New York. ISBN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0-8052-0610-8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11. The Breathing Book: Good Healthy and Vitality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Through Essential > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Breath Work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna Farhi. An Owl Book, Henry Holt and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Company Inc., New > > > > > > > > > > > > > > York, New York. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (In Canada: Fitzhenry & Whiteside Ltd.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ISBN 0-8050-4297-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On-Line Resources > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12. Himalayan Academy. An excellent source of free > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on-line books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including a thorough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glossary with the Merging With Siva on-line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/index.shtml > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 13. Website of Swami Jnaneshvara Bharati, devoted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entirely to Yogic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meditation with a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > large amount of free on-line information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and books: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://swamij.com/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 14. Vedantic scriptures: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.celextel.org/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15. Divine Live Society: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/download/download.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 13, 8:16 pm, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What books and > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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