“…I can actually see some positive aspects to a device such as this. It could also be encoded with data on the users medical history(allowing for injections of insulin or some other drug if vitals demand it) as well as credit history, bank balances and other personal information. My wallet is already an inch and half thick I could use something like this.” – DJ
“…I'd want the option to opt out anytime I wanted. I like having choices. It's one of the reason's I favor the gubment staying out of healthcare. They'll just make it all suck equally. Like it already does in Canada and the UK. (see how I just slipped that in there?)…” – DJ Of course, for any sort of health history data to be of much use, we all would have to go with it. And, as wonderful as that could be, yes, there is the possibility of the ‘Gattaca’ result. Then choice no longer is there. And, from what I have found, there are few in Canada or the UK who would trade healthcare systems with the USA. And, there are those in the US who find the best solution is to move to another country for their situation(s). And, I do know how attractive the ‘ol “pull yerself up by yer own bootstraps” philosophy is to some. In fact, reading Aristotle today, I was reminded of this very fact! “… Might work under a Democrat admininstration but not a Republican one. The NYT's would never allow National Security issues to impinge on their journalistic integrity under a Republican administration. Unless, of course, it advanced their liberal agenda. (snicker)” – DJ Your philosophical attachment is noted... along with the commonly associated style. Of course, newspapers are on the way out…even Murdock is selling. And, the term ‘National Security’ requires a free press or there is nothing worthy to protect. And, we know how some philosophies…er, agendas perhaps?.. wish to trample on such freedoms. It is so easy to wear blinders to the rest of the story…. On May 18, 6:40 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > My instinct is to say no but on reflection, looking at all the other 'nanny > state' laws already on the books, perhaps it could happen. I hope not. > Brings back memories of The Prisoner(excellent psycho/drama from the 60's > bbc). In my usual devil's advocate fashion I can actually see some positive > aspects to a device such as this. It could also be encoded with data on the > users medical history(allowing for injections of insulin or some other drug > if vitals demand it) as well as credit history, bank balances and other > personal information. My wallet is already an inch and half thick I could > use something like this. > > It would have to be voluntary or your average democracy wouldn't stand for > it. As far as travel-try to get on a plane without a drivers license or > photo ID of some kind. Not gonna happen. The only thing about the chip > that bothers me is the cyanide angle. Other then that, I'd give it a test. > Of course, I'd want the option to opt out anytime I wanted. I like having > choices. It's one of the reason's I favor the gubment staying out of > healthcare. They'll just make it all suck equally. Like it already does in > Canada and the UK. (see how I just slipped that in there?) > > Assuming it did happen, problems would arise when innocent people began > getting arrested or detained because of faulty hardware/software. Shit > would happen and someone would accidentally release the cyanide and be > killed. This would end up creating mass hysteria and the implants would be > removed. For something like this to work it would have to remain top > secret. Might work under a Democrat admininstration but not a Republican > one. The NYT's would never allow National Security issues to impinge on > their journalistic integrity under a Republican administration. Unless, of > course, it advanced their liberal agenda. (snicker) > > dj > > n Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > You and Don are right on, but I was wondering how a society would > > respond to having been chipped. Will the world be safer or will > > people rebel? I personally would have the chip removed and implanted > > in a wild animal roaming the forest. But I'm thinking that when you > > get pulled over by the police, go to the airport, drive interstate or > > international they will have a scanner to retrieve the information. > > Anyone who does not comply or removes the chip is arrested. This > > could easily become reality in another hundred years or less. Don't > > you think so? > > > On May 17, 3:04 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Why do they need to add mor techonolgy.. when there are things that > > already > > > exist like cell phones, or the intenet. and if you don't have one you are > > > probably not doing anything anyway.. > > > Allan > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 4:39 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Seems a silly thing to request a patent for. If it's a viable > > > > technology(I assume it is) then it's probably already being used by > > > > governments(mossad, cia, kgb etc.) I can't imagine any other entity > > > > finding such a thing useful. I imagine it would best be used on > > > > volunteers offered increased freedom in exchange for the new risk. > > > > Much like the ankle bracelet. > > > > > As long as it was voluntary I would have no problem with it. Forcing > > > > such a thing on even the worst criminal I would be against. Better to > > > > keep them locked up or end it now without the implant. You know such > > > > a thing would be expensive so I'd want the money to come from the > > > > implantee, not tax payers. > > > > > Most of us already have social security numbers, cell phones and > > > > drivers licenses and credit cards that track us almost as well as any > > > > gps tracker could. The idea of cyinide implants given to the general > > > > populace is preposterous. Never happen. If it did his patent would > > > > be useless because governments would just negate it. Much like what > > > > happened with the O-ring. > > > > > Personally, I'd prefer the retina scan. > > > > > dj > > > > > Just occurred to me a similar technology is the female contraceptive > > > > implant. Wouldn't it be something if all those women already are > > > > being tracked... > > > > (cue X-Files music here) > > > > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I've always said that the minds of men eventually come to fruition. > > I > > > > > strongly stand by my assertion and have as always pointed to the > > > > > movies of the past that have gone from science fiction to reality, > > ie; > > > > > Flash Gordon, Dick Tracy etc. > > > > > There has been for years now talk about how everyone was going to > > have > > > > > a chip implanted under the skin and/or a UPC bar code tattoo put on > > > > > their skin by government for the sake of keeping control of the > > > > > populous, which admittedly has become so enormous that keeping track > > > > > with old methods is futile. However, what are the ramifications of > > > > > such action by government, they already are tampering with our ID? > > > > > The cyanide aspect for this hideous invention is absurd considering > > > > > that people may die simply because of some malfunction or random > > > > > computer hack that releases the poison. > > > > > > Do you think the intent behind this type of invention will actually > > > > > one day become a reality? > > > > > > Do you trust your government to thwart such lunacy or do you think > > one > > > > > day they will just cave in? > > > > > >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520331,00.html > > > > > > Are your papers in order? > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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