I have known a US federal court judge to cry at sentencing, saying, "My hands are tied by the guidelines", as he gave an absurd amount of time to a good man who had done no harm to anyone. That's an explicit example of 'rule overrules right', not really relevant to the statement I made.
"The closest you'll get to the truth", I was referring to is about the few super rich that control the policies of government throughout the world. I have lived all over the US and outside the country for eight years. My perspective is of the big picture. The good intentions of the 'beginning politician' are soon subjugated to the system that is controlled by those mentioned above. I do understand why one may not want to accept the big picture as rational when it threatens their 'pat' self satisfying picture. peace & Love On Jun 29, 7:24 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > "The closest you'll get to the truth is the > conspiracy theories of some extremist groups." > > Nonsense. I know several great judges who have enormous compassion > for the people in their community and before their bench and are able > to rule by the laws at their disposal with great wisdom. > > "The system is of control of the masses by a few." > > Where do you live, Tinker? In every community in the US that I have > lived, officials are elected by the people and govern by the laws. > There is an element (sometimes larger or smaller) of corruption > everywhere, depending on the cohesiveness of the organization of each > community, but I have not seen any example of a few controlling masses > in the US. I would be interested to hear of some. > > Your view seems to contain much psychodrama to support your notions. > I am not sure that it is rational. > > On Jun 28, 8:52 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Archy and Orn, > > > It seems to me that you both know the system in control of the world > > we Live in is totally fucked. > > > "I tend to like countervailing structures and to know who is governing > > what. *I fear this is on the decline.*" - Arch > > The later is a bit of an understatement. The common people of the > > world have not seen any reference to the 'true rulers' governing the > > world for many years. The closest you'll get to the truth is the > > conspiracy theories of some extremist groups. > > > "what is going on is so obvious we shouldn't have to explain and > > describe it, but already be working on putting things right." - Arch > > The system is fucked! The system is of control of the masses by a few. > > The ways of the system are never going to change the system, the > > system will evolve to become more efficient. > > > The "small things" that allow some to maintain the assumption of being > > "reasonably free" are supported by the connection in our mind to the > > collective intelligence. The system is progressing towards overcoming > > that and has been successful to the point that the free thinkers are > > considered radical by the masses. > > > "though I believe something more spiritual has to be part of our daily > > affairs." - Arch > > "something more spiritual", like the connection in our mind that > > substantiates spiritual beliefs? > > "has to be part of our daily affairs.", like recognized with a common > > definition attributed to a universal symbol? > > Hmmm..., sounds like the beginning of a plan to actually affect a > > change in the way of the system :-) > > > "There is no way to the divine that I know of that simply ignores > > appearances." - Orn > > Absolutely! The system is the absolute of our Society. Ignoring the > > system as the element keeping us from the divine will keep us from > > achieving it. "Organization" is established by the rule of the system > > and complicates the 'idea' that we are ONE. > > A *non-system remedy* - "would have to be based upon the fundamental > > structure of mind itself. In no other way could integrity be > > demonstrated." - Orn > > "fundamental structure of mind itself", the connection to our > > collective intelligence? > > "In no other way could integrity be demonstrated". = The only way to > > establish Unity :-) > > > peace & Love > > > On Jun 27, 9:37 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > “…I am materialist only in believing that anything divine should not > > > simply be attained by averting eyes, though I believe something more > > > spiritual has to be part of our daily affairs. I believe it can be > > > organised - though the rub is we need control of the organising > > > through a system in which integrity is demonstrated, not made sacred > > > in a regime of truth. The divine may be fine, but sadly it can be > > > faked. Somewhere, somehow, we need to be able to contribute, have > > > this recognised and be left alone yet not isolated from support we > > > should expect from our contributions. We probably have the > > > technology > > > to organise this for the first time…” – Neil > > > > Fully agreed upon Neil! > > > > Your first part about ‘averting eyes’ immediately brought to mind the > > > Beatles song which includes the words “..living is easy with eyes > > > closed misunderstanding all you see…” > > > >http://www.metrolyrics.com/strawberry-fields-forever-lyrics-beatles.html > > > >http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Strawberry+Fields+Forever > > > > There is no way to the divine that I know of that simply ignores > > > appearances. To me, such a notion is absurd. Organization would seem > > > to be innate for anything in fact of the oneness of us all. Further, > > > such a ‘system’ would have to be based upon the fundamental structure > > > of mind itself. In no other way could integrity be demonstrated. And, > > > yes, charlatans abound. Without an agreed upon view including method, > > > goals etc., the omnipresent attempts at coerced uniting will continue. > > > > On Jun 26, 9:55 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I would guess we are all troubled by that focus on words that leads to > > > > a myriad of books that only help in obscure ways and which makes an > > > > industry out of the clutter. I'm at the end of a long experiment I > > > > need to write up. Orn's a bit older than me, but we have both harked > > > > back to a time when jobs could pay pretty well and didn't seem to be > > > > in short supply. These days, I despair that the main industry is > > > > about providing useless training for jobs that aren't there. I do see > > > > a case for us all to need to be able to 'see the Emperor naked' and > > > > further to be able to talk about the madness and not inventions about > > > > the 'clothes'. > > > > I was at a two-day training event this week, based on utter cock > > > > derived from a book called 'Chicken Soup for the Soul' - all homilies > > > > around being rejected 132 times before publication and the success of > > > > self-made men and women who have triumphed over adversity. Everyone > > > > there could see this within minutes of the start. All anyone there > > > > wanted was a job that would bring some security - this being the very > > > > thing not on offer. All the stories were known to me to be as false > > > > as claims made at pyramid selling events. The book of invisible > > > > thread had apparently sold 195 million copies - very scary. The > > > > trainer seemed to be a believer, though a fairly good egg who reminded > > > > me of my Auntie Jean. What capitalism offered once was the chance of > > > > a decent wage and the ability to move on to another - my guess is that > > > > what we liked about it was the freedom from the overbearing authority > > > > of people with riches and the ranking system of education and > > > > equivalents of the Domesday Book. > > > > On my way home, I saw one of the idiots who was allowed to cause so > > > > much grief to me and Sue when they lived next door. He was driving a > > > > car. He is nearly always drunk or drugged and can't have a licence, > > > > is probably disqualified, the vehicle probably unsafe and so on. He > > > > and his partner have lived by defrauding benefits and crime for over > > > > 20 years. She is on trial for arson and awaiting sentence for a > > > > serious assault. They are an industry - every year they cost around > > > > £100,000 in benefits and in the legal system around their 'petty' > > > > crimes (like throwing a fire-bomb at a family home). One of the women > > > > on the course applied for a gardening programme only to be told it was > > > > only for people who had committed crimes. One could go on, but this > > > > is the problem - what is going on is so obvious we shouldn't have to > > > > explain and describe it, but already be working on putting things > > > > right. > > > > My guess is that we need control of the small things that make life > > > > reasonably free, and that we have actually become cowed by authority > > > > systems we won't see. The 'Baby P' case in the UK is a classic. It's > > > > clear none of the participants in this baby's cruel life and death was > > > > prepared to act on the obvious evidence of eye and good sense. These > > > > people were cops, social workers, doctors and so on, all caught up in > > > > cowardly kow-tow. The whistle-blowers were all crudely stamped down, > > > > as surely as the young child shouting out the 'Emperor is naked' would > > > > be hung as a witch. Our systems are already 'sacred' in that they > > > > have eliminated fair criticism through a taboo of fear. I am > > > > materialist only in believing that anything divine should not simply > > > > be attained by averting eyes, though I believe something more > > > > spiritual has to be part of our daily affairs. I believe it can be > > > > organised - though the rub is we need control of the organising > > > > through a system in which integrity is demonstrated, not made sacred > > > > in a regime of truth. The divine may be fine, but sadly it can be > > > > faked. Somewhere, somehow, we need to be able to contribute, have > > > > this recognised and be left alone yet not isolated from support we > > > > should expect from our contributions. We probably have the technology > > > > to organise this for the first time. > > > > We now have two cats and an interloper called Arbuthnot with a > > > > magnetic collar who sneaks in and sleeps on the spare bed. My plan is > > > > a little job that pays the bills and to write. > > > > > On 26 June, 23:21, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > “Orn, Neil spoke of practical levels of transparency, meaning 'who is > > > > > governing what' in down to earth English. You are guessing your way > > > > > to > > > > > the domain of the divine and the new tools of deception. Calling this > > > > > a parallel conversation would be an euphemism for lifting up the > > > > > thinking lazy on the one hand of the scales.” – > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
