Plato at least discussed what needed to be done so that the Guardians didn't just fold to "interests" Vam. Never liked his stuff much though. I go some way with Tinker and am now by no means sure things have progressed - probably the reverse - in the last 20 years. There is a "conspiracy" of some kind in which we fear the truth and acting on equal footings with others.
On 30 June, 06:11, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > I went to look for the SPOTLIGHT and this is all I found > > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn79006229/ > > It was back in the early 90s that I subscribed to it, one time only. I > only read a couple of them and it started keeping me awake at night. I > gave them to a buddy for his wife, a rapturous fundamentalist. She got > her faith that the end was eminent souped up big time by reading them. > > peace & Love > > On Jun 29, 8:11 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Do you resort to insults because you cannot offer supporting > > information on your conspiracy theory? > > > On Jun 29, 8:03 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I have known a US federal court judge to cry at sentencing, saying, > > > "My hands are tied by the guidelines", as he gave an absurd amount of > > > time to a good man who had done no harm to anyone. > > > That's an explicit example of 'rule overrules right', not really > > > relevant to the statement I made. > > > > "The closest you'll get to the truth", I was referring to is about the > > > few super rich that control the policies of government throughout the > > > world. > > > > I have lived all over the US and outside the country for eight years. > > > My perspective is of the big picture. > > > The good intentions of the 'beginning politician' are soon subjugated > > > to the system that is controlled by those mentioned above. > > > > I do understand why one may not want to accept the big picture as > > > rational when it threatens their 'pat' self satisfying picture. > > > > peace & Love > > > > On Jun 29, 7:24 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "The closest you'll get to the truth is the > > > > conspiracy theories of some extremist groups." > > > > > Nonsense. I know several great judges who have enormous compassion > > > > for the people in their community and before their bench and are able > > > > to rule by the laws at their disposal with great wisdom. > > > > > "The system is of control of the masses by a few." > > > > > Where do you live, Tinker? In every community in the US that I have > > > > lived, officials are elected by the people and govern by the laws. > > > > There is an element (sometimes larger or smaller) of corruption > > > > everywhere, depending on the cohesiveness of the organization of each > > > > community, but I have not seen any example of a few controlling masses > > > > in the US. I would be interested to hear of some. > > > > > Your view seems to contain much psychodrama to support your notions. > > > > I am not sure that it is rational. > > > > > On Jun 28, 8:52 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Archy and Orn, > > > > > > It seems to me that you both know the system in control of the world > > > > > we Live in is totally fucked. > > > > > > "I tend to like countervailing structures and to know who is governing > > > > > what. *I fear this is on the decline.*" - Arch > > > > > The later is a bit of an understatement. The common people of the > > > > > world have not seen any reference to the 'true rulers' governing the > > > > > world for many years. The closest you'll get to the truth is the > > > > > conspiracy theories of some extremist groups. > > > > > > "what is going on is so obvious we shouldn't have to explain and > > > > > describe it, but already be working on putting things right." - Arch > > > > > The system is fucked! The system is of control of the masses by a few. > > > > > The ways of the system are never going to change the system, the > > > > > system will evolve to become more efficient. > > > > > > The "small things" that allow some to maintain the assumption of being > > > > > "reasonably free" are supported by the connection in our mind to the > > > > > collective intelligence. The system is progressing towards overcoming > > > > > that and has been successful to the point that the free thinkers are > > > > > considered radical by the masses. > > > > > > "though I believe something more spiritual has to be part of our daily > > > > > affairs." - Arch > > > > > "something more spiritual", like the connection in our mind that > > > > > substantiates spiritual beliefs? > > > > > "has to be part of our daily affairs.", like recognized with a common > > > > > definition attributed to a universal symbol? > > > > > Hmmm..., sounds like the beginning of a plan to actually affect a > > > > > change in the way of the system :-) > > > > > > "There is no way to the divine that I know of that simply ignores > > > > > appearances." - Orn > > > > > Absolutely! The system is the absolute of our Society. Ignoring the > > > > > system as the element keeping us from the divine will keep us from > > > > > achieving it. "Organization" is established by the rule of the system > > > > > and complicates the 'idea' that we are ONE. > > > > > A *non-system remedy* - "would have to be based upon the fundamental > > > > > structure of mind itself. In no other way could integrity be > > > > > demonstrated." - Orn > > > > > "fundamental structure of mind itself", the connection to our > > > > > collective intelligence? > > > > > "In no other way could integrity be demonstrated". = The only way to > > > > > establish Unity :-) > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > On Jun 27, 9:37 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > “…I am materialist only in believing that anything divine should not > > > > > > simply be attained by averting eyes, though I believe something more > > > > > > spiritual has to be part of our daily affairs. I believe it can be > > > > > > organised - though the rub is we need control of the organising > > > > > > through a system in which integrity is demonstrated, not made sacred > > > > > > in a regime of truth. The divine may be fine, but sadly it can be > > > > > > faked. Somewhere, somehow, we need to be able to contribute, have > > > > > > this recognised and be left alone yet not isolated from support we > > > > > > should expect from our contributions. We probably have the > > > > > > technology > > > > > > to organise this for the first time…” – Neil > > > > > > > Fully agreed upon Neil! > > > > > > > Your first part about ‘averting eyes’ immediately brought to mind > > > > > > the > > > > > > Beatles song which includes the words “..living is easy with eyes > > > > > > closed misunderstanding all you see…” > > > > > > >http://www.metrolyrics.com/strawberry-fields-forever-lyrics-beatles.html > > > > > > >http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Strawberry+Fields+Forever > > > > > > > There is no way to the divine that I know of that simply ignores > > > > > > appearances. To me, such a notion is absurd. Organization would seem > > > > > > to be innate for anything in fact of the oneness of us all. Further, > > > > > > such a ‘system’ would have to be based upon the fundamental > > > > > > structure > > > > > > of mind itself. In no other way could integrity be demonstrated. > > > > > > And, > > > > > > yes, charlatans abound. Without an agreed upon view including > > > > > > method, > > > > > > goals etc., the omnipresent attempts at coerced uniting will > > > > > > continue. > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 9:55 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I would guess we are all troubled by that focus on words that > > > > > > > leads to > > > > > > > a myriad of books that only help in obscure ways and which makes > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > industry out of the clutter. I'm at the end of a long experiment > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > need to write up. Orn's a bit older than me, but we have both > > > > > > > harked > > > > > > > back to a time when jobs could pay pretty well and didn't seem to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > in short supply. These days, I despair that the main industry is > > > > > > > about providing useless training for jobs that aren't there. I > > > > > > > do see > > > > > > > a case for us all to need to be able to 'see the Emperor naked' > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > further to be able to talk about the madness and not inventions > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > the 'clothes'. > > > > > > > I was at a two-day training event this week, based on utter cock > > > > > > > derived from a book called 'Chicken Soup for the Soul' - all > > > > > > > homilies > > > > > > > around being rejected 132 times before publication and the > > > > > > > success of > > > > > > > self-made men and women who have triumphed over adversity. > > > > > > > Everyone > > > > > > > there could see this within minutes of the start. All anyone > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > wanted was a job that would bring some security - this being the > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > thing not on offer. All the stories were known to me to be as > > > > > > > false > > > > > > > as claims made at pyramid selling events. The book of invisible > > > > > > > thread had apparently sold 195 million copies - very scary. The > > > > > > > trainer seemed to be a believer, though a fairly good egg who > > > > > > > reminded > > > > > > > me of my Auntie Jean. What capitalism offered once was the > > > > > > > chance of > > > > > > > a decent wage and the ability to move on to another - my guess is > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > what we liked about it was the freedom from the overbearing > > > > > > > authority > > > > > > > of people with riches and the ranking system of education and > > > > > > > equivalents of the Domesday Book. > > > > > > > On my way home, I saw one of the idiots who was allowed to cause > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > much grief to me and Sue when they lived next door. He was > > > > > > > driving a > > > > > > > car. 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