What is " cosmic consciousness ? "Billions upon billions of thoughts."
dj On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Vamadevananda<[email protected]> wrote: > > What is " cosmic consciousness ?" What is our understanding of the > experience, of cosmic consciousness, or the direct perception of the > knowledge of its true nature ? > > Request you to have a look through previous posts on this, OM, for > more of the context. > > On Jul 1, 2:39 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: >> "...OM, I need to hear you on this, if you may..." - vam >> >> Not quite keeping up these days, perhaps if you frame your question >> and state it simply for an old man? ;-) >> >> On Jun 29, 10:06 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Tinker, clearly you seem to be out of these depths Molly speaks of. If >> > so, frame your question, and state it simply. >> >> > No where did I find Molly implying that you have " to accept that " >> > Molly was " in some way superior." >> >> > On Jun 30, 7:58 am, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > No, I don't understand that Molly. >> > > I do very well understand, "there is no it or that to the >> > > *experience*." >> > > Am I supposed to accept that you are in some way superior because your >> > > *experience* has it and that specifics? >> >> > > peace & Love >> >> > > On Jun 29, 8:10 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > do you not understand that the its and thats in the quoted sentence >> > > > are referring to what predicates them? >> >> > > > On Jun 29, 8:10 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > "there is no it or that to the experience." >> >> > > > > and then >> >> > > > > "I am experiencing myself as everyone and all that is and all that >> > > > > will be and knowing it at once, without boundary or overload." >> >> > > > > peace & Love >> >> > > > > On Jun 29, 11:40 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > From my experience of cosmic consciousness, Vam, there is no it or >> > > > > > that to the experience. I am experiencing myself as everyone and >> > > > > > all >> > > > > > that is and all that will be and knowing it at once, without >> > > > > > boundary >> > > > > > or overload. Like unlimited dimension to experience. No object or >> > > > > > subject because there is all time and no separation between the >> > > > > > mortal >> > > > > > and eternal. I think that you are right when you say we have >> > > > > > limited >> > > > > > language to discuss the notion. I don't think that we are seeing >> > > > > > through the pin hole, or seeing THE whole, I think at that point, >> > > > > > I am >> > > > > > whole. >> >> > > > > > On Jun 29, 12:33 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > And what IS that, Molly ? As THAT, how does IT see itself as ? >> > > > > > > What >> > > > > > > is in it 's AWARENESS ? Does it have desires, and the tendency >> > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > act ? >> >> > > > > > > We individuals, from THAT reference, are merely looking through >> > > > > > > a pin >> > > > > > > hole. We do see something, but what we see is not the whole. >> >> > > > > > > I am only trying to take our discussion forward, the way I know. >> > > > > > > I >> > > > > > > very much would like to listen to what you may choose to share. >> > > > > > > The >> > > > > > > paths are many. >> >> > > > > > > I would like to invite OM on this matter, if he favour us. >> >> > > > > > > On Jun 29, 4:43 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > all we will ever know at the same time for all time... or >> > > > > > > > ...knowing >> > > > > > > > (and being) everyone and everything that ever was and ever >> > > > > > > > will be and >> > > > > > > > all that is... >> >> > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 8:09 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > Isn't that cosmic consciousness, Vam? >> >> > > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 6:24 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > Jim, really speaking beyond mere more terms and thoughts, >> > > > > > > > > > I do not >> > > > > > > > > > even know how the dog derives many, many times more from >> > > > > > > > > > the bone I >> > > > > > > > > > discarded as nothing ! The fact is empirical. But do I >> > > > > > > > > > understand >> > > > > > > > > > it ? I do not know. >> >> > > > > > > > > > The other day, a journalist academic analysed racism and >> > > > > > > > > > opined : We >> > > > > > > > > > are not racists. Just that some among us are ignorant and, >> > > > > > > > > > hence, >> > > > > > > > > > display their prejudices which seem racist. That, I >> > > > > > > > > > found, was a mere >> > > > > > > > > > explanation of racist behaviour. It was irrelevent to the >> > > > > > > > > > question : >> > > > > > > > > > Are we racist ? >> >> > > > > > > > > > I believe that alongwith science, which indeed we might >> > > > > > > > > > know >> > > > > > > > > > everything of, we need to know the answer to such >> > > > > > > > > > questions, which is >> > > > > > > > > > what I am afraid we ALL will never know ALL at the SAME >> > > > > > > > > > TIME, for ALL >> > > > > > > > > > TIME. >> >> > > > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 1:20 am, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> >> > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Looking back over recent decades it seems clear that we >> > > > > > > > > > > (mankind) is >> > > > > > > > > > > coming to know, in a scientific sense, more and more >> > > > > > > > > > > about more and >> > > > > > > > > > > more, and faster and faster. Will there ever come a time >> > > > > > > > > > > when we will >> > > > > > > > > > > know everything about everything? >> > > > > > > > > > > I’ve asked a number of people this question, and >> > > > > > > > > > > all say “no.” But it >> > > > > > > > > > > seems to me that the correct answer is “yes.” Why? >> > > > > > > > > > > First, I’m talking about knowing all the >> > > > > > > > > > > scientific laws governing >> > > > > > > > > > > the physical universe – nothing more, nothing less. The >> > > > > > > > > > > physical >> > > > > > > > > > > universe is immense, but finite. Science has long >> > > > > > > > > > > assumed that the >> > > > > > > > > > > laws governing our small bit of it are universal; they >> > > > > > > > > > > apply >> > > > > > > > > > > everywhere in the universe just as they apply here. >> > > > > > > > > > > Given then that >> > > > > > > > > > > the physical universe is finite, it would seem that the >> > > > > > > > > > > laws governing >> > > > > > > > > > > it are also finite. And as we come to know them here >> > > > > > > > > > > faster and >> > > > > > > > > > > faster, at some point it would seem that we will know >> > > > > > > > > > > everything about >> > > > > > > > > > > everything. >> > > > > > > > > > > This also seems to me to be consistent with what >> > > > > > > > > > > Einstein and others >> > > > > > > > > > > have long sought – the ultimate theory of everything. >> > > > > > > > > > > (This effort is >> > > > > > > > > > > well described by Brian Greene in his book The Elegant >> > > > > > > > > > > Universe.) If >> > > > > > > > > > > knowing everything were obviously not possible, surely >> > > > > > > > > > > this group >> > > > > > > > > > > would never have begun pursuing that ultimate theory. >> > > > > > > > > > > How might we tell when we are approaching the >> > > > > > > > > > > point where we know >> > > > > > > > > > > everything? I expect the growth of knowledge is >> > > > > > > > > > > gaussian. As we >> > > > > > > > > > > approach knowing everything the rate of knowledge growth >> > > > > > > > > > > will >> > > > > > > > > > > gradually slow. So by monitoring this rate of growth we >> > > > > > > > > > > should be able >> > > > > > > > > > > to predict when we will know everything. 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