A couple sources to aid the in the expansion of the wisdom discussion beyond mere cognition:
http://www.iep.utm.edu/e/emanatio.htm (associated with emanation) http://www.iep.utm.edu/p/philo.htm (associated with logos) On Jul 11, 1:14 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > I see wisdom as the ability to process information in an efficient way > and order your thoughts to make a responsible and appropriate action > or reaction. Weeding out the useless information is the biggest > challenge for me. The young don't have the experience to be capable > of this to any great degree and that is why we need the guidance of > our elders. I agree with your point on education. Our universities > are filled with smart professors that KNOW a lot but seem to have very > little cognitive ability when it comes to real world problems. > Unfortunately, they seem to make very good politicians. IMO ;-) > > dj > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Slip Disc<[email protected]> wrote: > > > First post Vam, > > > ".........wisdom changes and therefore can be considered an aspect of > > life that > > is continually evolving. " > > > Never said I had a definitive answer as to what composed wisdom. I > > gave some examples and expect others to contribute what they think > > about wisdom, if there is wisdom at all. > > > I was clear in my ambivalence towards it's meaning and therefore laid > > a ground work for exploration. > > > What do you think is the wisdom that is being spoke of? Or is there > > wisdom at all? > > > On Jul 11, 11:13 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > >> " An unusual tone for you Vam. Shouting can result in soreness of the > >> larynx." > > >> That should be OK, Slip ! We just have be civil and be with good > >> faith. > > >> I indeed would like to know what is the " wisdom " that is being > >> spoken of. You spoke of some, from personal experience. Surely, you > >> should be able speak of some details relating to what you saw as " > >> wisdom." At least, that is what I felt even you would be interested > >> in sharing, were I to request. > > >> On Jul 11, 8:41 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > An unusual tone for you Vam. Shouting can result in soreness of the > >> > larynx. > > >> > I did not start the thread so that we can "all" agree to anything. > > >> > I asked in the first paragraph "what is true wisdom?" > > >> > The topic is open for discussion. > > >> > On Jul 11, 10:17 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > So, with all that, Slip, WHAT IS WISDOM ? What exactly are those wise > >> > > old men, without education, know or are offering or are capable of ? > >> > > You see them as wise. Why ? > > >> > > Something clear, that we all may agree to. > > >> > > On Jul 11, 7:58 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > Well now that you mention it I did not and would not use the term > >> > > > mere > >> > > > as it seem to connote a simplicity in any given field. > >> > > > Technically a person who is well versed in the knowledge of the > >> > > > "many" > >> > > > sciences "may" have wisdom but as the comment stands and which I > >> > > > intended to relay was the "not necessarily", as that same person "may > >> > > > not" have wisdom. > > >> > > > I disagree with what is not agreeable to you pertaining to education > >> > > > being key. Many of the ancients, and in our world today, existing > >> > > > among indigenous tribes are those member that are considered the old > >> > > > and wise, they possess the wisdom of the ways in which the culture > >> > > > developed and survived. These wise among them have no education but > >> > > > simply an accumulated knowledge base on which to draw upon. They > >> > > > have > >> > > > the wisdom of the forests, the jungles, the deserts and all the > >> > > > environment has to offer and more. Therefore, and again in that > >> > > > sense, I don't think education plays a part. > >> > > > Let me clarify that I would rather call it "learning experience" that > >> > > > operates on a continuum during ones lifetime. I prefer to keep > >> > > > education as denoting a formality, a schooling, else we all might > >> > > > convey having a great deal of education based on life experience > >> > > > alone > >> > > > and in which case many dummies might be highly educated, though we > >> > > > know they are not. > > >> > > > I think wisdom is drawn from within and from without our personal > >> > > > world. I've often stated that many times I simply draw upon the > >> > > > cosmos, the universal energy or whatever description is your > >> > > > preference, when trying to solve a problem, fix something I know > >> > > > nothing about, bring about change or try to acquire something > >> > > > materially. This is part of the formation of wisdom, the part that > >> > > > has nothing to do with the physical experience but is communicated to > >> > > > the mind on a spiritual level. There are many Indian rituals that > >> > > > require inducement to reach mental states capable of that > >> > > > communicative level in which they receive unknown truths, premonitory > >> > > > experiences and commune with the dead. So wisdom is not simply > >> > > > life's > >> > > > experiences culminating into a data bank of resource. > > >> > > > On Jul 11, 3:18 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > " Having knowledge of mathematics, science or business does not > >> > > > > necessarily render a person as wise." > > >> > > > > I found it interesting ... not the content per se, of which > >> > > > > perhaps I > >> > > > > am not clear, but the expression. > > >> > > > > Does it read : ' Mere ' knowledge of mathematics, science or > >> > > > > business > >> > > > > does not render a person as wise. With the word " necessarily " > >> > > > > becoming redundant, I would tend to agree with the statement. As > >> > > > > originally expressed, I am not certain what it means ... now more, > >> > > > > now less. > > >> > > > > " In that sense I don't think that education has to play a part in > >> > > > > attaining wisdom ..." > > >> > > > > This, as it is, is not agreeable to my view. On the contrary, > >> > > > > education is the key, even if it is self - education, which is a > >> > > > > constant in the process of acquiring wisdom. > > >> > > > > It is very difficult for me to speak of wisdom, as to what it is. > >> > > > > It > >> > > > > has its application on / to oneself and on / to others, in the > >> > > > > recognition of wisdom when we see or know it. I am clueless about > >> > > > > wherefrom, why and how, it issues. > > >> > > > > I have seen and known wisdom. The dimension I most empathise with > >> > > > > is > >> > > > > the one that causes one to help oneself and others, the people > >> > > > > about > >> > > > > and around, most critically in preempting our state of feeling ' > >> > > > > lost,' hopeless or inadequate. Even after, wisdom leads us from > >> > > > > despair to clarity, strength, sense of purpose, and opportunity. > > >> > > > > On Jul 11, 6:03 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > Yes, wisdom, the dominion of the wise, often associated with old > >> > > > > > age > >> > > > > > and life experience. Though I've met some young that were wise, > >> > > > > > it > >> > > > > > was mostly specific without a broad spectrum of knowledge. > >> > > > > > Perhaps > >> > > > > > they were just more aware or in tune with certain aspects of > >> > > > > > life. > >> > > > > > What is true wisdom? The wise old sage once said "wisdom is the > >> > > > > > accumulation of knowledge", but then again what is knowledge and > >> > > > > > what > >> > > > > > knowledge does one have to be perceived as having wisdom? Having > >> > > > > > knowledge of mathematics, science or business does not > >> > > > > > necessarily > >> > > > > > render a person as wise. In that sense I don't think that > >> > > > > > education > >> > > > > > has to play a part in attaining wisdom and secondary to that I > >> > > > > > think > >> > > > > > that wisdom is subject to categorization. > >> > > > > > Each person individually gathers the necessary blocks of > >> > > > > > knowledge > >> > > > > > that culminates into the specific wisdom he or she can offer. > >> > > > > > The > >> > > > > > wisest of people may not have a clue as to what words of wisdom > >> > > > > > are > >> > > > > > needed for the recovering drug addict, the alcoholic etcetera > >> > > > > > etcetera > >> > > > > > ecetera. > >> > > > > > I have many times been thanked for my words of wisdom and each > >> > > > > > time > >> > > > > > thought they were just words coming from my insight into a > >> > > > > > problem, > >> > > > > > the ability to logically sort it all out, simply viewing their > >> > > > > > world > >> > > > > > from outside looking in. Is wisdom simply pointing out aspects > >> > > > > > that > >> > > > > > another does not see or does not understand, the discernment of a > >> > > > > > hidden truth within the minds of others? Remember, any idiot > >> > > > > > can be > >> > > > > > perceived as a genius around a group of morons. > >> > > > > > I've traveled many roads since birth, travailed many hardships, > >> > > > > > enjoyed countless excursions into the unknown, felt much pain and > >> > > > > > anguish mentally and physically but still the journey goes on > >> > > > > > and each > >> > > > > > year is in no way like any preceding year, possibly the scary > >> > > > > > part, > >> > > > > > just look at Lee and Ling. > >> > > > > > So if wisdom comes with experience and if experiences can change, > >> > > > > > wisdom changes and therefore can be considered an aspect of life > >> > > > > > that > >> > > > > > is continually evolving. > >> > > > > > And now for the real awakening about modern day wisdom. Little > >> > > > > > 10 > >> > > > > > year old Billy Bushwacker joins a social group and answers > >> > > > > > everyone's > >> > > > > > inquiries with answers that come from Internet search engines > >> > > > > > like > >> > > > > > Google and web sites like Wikipedia while receiving accolades of > >> > > > > > appreciative adoration from the unsuspecting members. > >> > > > > > So I would recommend to all, if you want real wisdom, make sure > >> > > > > > you > >> > > > > > get it in person! Unless of course you are getting from the > >> > > > > > Slippy > >> > > > > > Fishy Gadfly! {;-) > > >> > > > > > So what is your take on this wisdom venture?- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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