Slip, as already posted by me : " It is very difficult for me to speak of wisdom, as to what it is. It has its application on / to oneself and on / to others, in the recognition of wisdom when we see or know it. I am clueless about wherefrom, why and how, it issues.
" I have seen and known wisdom. The dimension I most empathise with is the one that causes one to help oneself and others, the people about and around, most critically in preempting our state of feeling ' lost,' hopeless or inadequate. Even after, wisdom leads us from despair to clarity, strength, sense of purpose, and opportunity." Wisdom is acquired, in and through life. Self - education ( spiritual, mental, physical, material, and worldly ... yes, wisdom can come in a whole range of domains ! ) is the key to acquisition of wisdom. It may not have much to do with age, but for a minimum of experience and exposure necessary for acquiring a mastery over the process of understanding. At its core, wisdom is knowledge and intelligence applied. Blessing follows, in the form of one's seeming limitless capacity for analytical, synthesising and critical reasoning, and at solving even apparently intractable problems, now and usually with the future in view, for the sake of oneself and for the welfare of others. On Jul 11, 11:34 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > First post Vam, > > ".........wisdom changes and therefore can be considered an aspect of > life that > is continually evolving. " > > Never said I had a definitive answer as to what composed wisdom. I > gave some examples and expect others to contribute what they think > about wisdom, if there is wisdom at all. > > I was clear in my ambivalence towards it's meaning and therefore laid > a ground work for exploration. > > What do you think is the wisdom that is being spoke of? Or is there > wisdom at all? > > On Jul 11, 11:13 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > " An unusual tone for you Vam. Shouting can result in soreness of the > > larynx." > > > That should be OK, Slip ! We just have be civil and be with good > > faith. > > > I indeed would like to know what is the " wisdom " that is being > > spoken of. You spoke of some, from personal experience. Surely, you > > should be able speak of some details relating to what you saw as " > > wisdom." At least, that is what I felt even you would be interested > > in sharing, were I to request. > > > On Jul 11, 8:41 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > An unusual tone for you Vam. Shouting can result in soreness of the > > > larynx. > > > > I did not start the thread so that we can "all" agree to anything. > > > > I asked in the first paragraph "what is true wisdom?" > > > > The topic is open for discussion. > > > > On Jul 11, 10:17 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So, with all that, Slip, WHAT IS WISDOM ? What exactly are those wise > > > > old men, without education, know or are offering or are capable of ? > > > > You see them as wise. Why ? > > > > > Something clear, that we all may agree to. > > > > > On Jul 11, 7:58 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Well now that you mention it I did not and would not use the term mere > > > > > as it seem to connote a simplicity in any given field. > > > > > Technically a person who is well versed in the knowledge of the "many" > > > > > sciences "may" have wisdom but as the comment stands and which I > > > > > intended to relay was the "not necessarily", as that same person "may > > > > > not" have wisdom. > > > > > > I disagree with what is not agreeable to you pertaining to education > > > > > being key. Many of the ancients, and in our world today, existing > > > > > among indigenous tribes are those member that are considered the old > > > > > and wise, they possess the wisdom of the ways in which the culture > > > > > developed and survived. These wise among them have no education but > > > > > simply an accumulated knowledge base on which to draw upon. They have > > > > > the wisdom of the forests, the jungles, the deserts and all the > > > > > environment has to offer and more. Therefore, and again in that > > > > > sense, I don't think education plays a part. > > > > > Let me clarify that I would rather call it "learning experience" that > > > > > operates on a continuum during ones lifetime. I prefer to keep > > > > > education as denoting a formality, a schooling, else we all might > > > > > convey having a great deal of education based on life experience alone > > > > > and in which case many dummies might be highly educated, though we > > > > > know they are not. > > > > > > I think wisdom is drawn from within and from without our personal > > > > > world. I've often stated that many times I simply draw upon the > > > > > cosmos, the universal energy or whatever description is your > > > > > preference, when trying to solve a problem, fix something I know > > > > > nothing about, bring about change or try to acquire something > > > > > materially. This is part of the formation of wisdom, the part that > > > > > has nothing to do with the physical experience but is communicated to > > > > > the mind on a spiritual level. There are many Indian rituals that > > > > > require inducement to reach mental states capable of that > > > > > communicative level in which they receive unknown truths, premonitory > > > > > experiences and commune with the dead. So wisdom is not simply life's > > > > > experiences culminating into a data bank of resource. > > > > > > On Jul 11, 3:18 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > " Having knowledge of mathematics, science or business does not > > > > > > necessarily render a person as wise." > > > > > > > I found it interesting ... not the content per se, of which > > > > > > perhaps I > > > > > > am not clear, but the expression. > > > > > > > Does it read : ' Mere ' knowledge of mathematics, science or > > > > > > business > > > > > > does not render a person as wise. With the word " necessarily " > > > > > > becoming redundant, I would tend to agree with the statement. As > > > > > > originally expressed, I am not certain what it means ... now more, > > > > > > now less. > > > > > > > " In that sense I don't think that education has to play a part in > > > > > > attaining wisdom ..." > > > > > > > This, as it is, is not agreeable to my view. On the contrary, > > > > > > education is the key, even if it is self - education, which is a > > > > > > constant in the process of acquiring wisdom. > > > > > > > It is very difficult for me to speak of wisdom, as to what it is. It > > > > > > has its application on / to oneself and on / to others, in the > > > > > > recognition of wisdom when we see or know it. I am clueless about > > > > > > wherefrom, why and how, it issues. > > > > > > > I have seen and known wisdom. The dimension I most empathise with is > > > > > > the one that causes one to help oneself and others, the people about > > > > > > and around, most critically in preempting our state of feeling ' > > > > > > lost,' hopeless or inadequate. Even after, wisdom leads us from > > > > > > despair to clarity, strength, sense of purpose, and opportunity. > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 6:03 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, wisdom, the dominion of the wise, often associated with old > > > > > > > age > > > > > > > and life experience. Though I've met some young that were wise, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > was mostly specific without a broad spectrum of knowledge. > > > > > > > Perhaps > > > > > > > they were just more aware or in tune with certain aspects of life. > > > > > > > What is true wisdom? The wise old sage once said "wisdom is the > > > > > > > accumulation of knowledge", but then again what is knowledge and > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > knowledge does one have to be perceived as having wisdom? Having > > > > > > > knowledge of mathematics, science or business does not necessarily > > > > > > > render a person as wise. In that sense I don't think that > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > has to play a part in attaining wisdom and secondary to that I > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > that wisdom is subject to categorization. > > > > > > > Each person individually gathers the necessary blocks of knowledge > > > > > > > that culminates into the specific wisdom he or she can offer. The > > > > > > > wisest of people may not have a clue as to what words of wisdom > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > needed for the recovering drug addict, the alcoholic etcetera > > > > > > > etcetera > > > > > > > ecetera. > > > > > > > I have many times been thanked for my words of wisdom and each > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > thought they were just words coming from my insight into a > > > > > > > problem, > > > > > > > the ability to logically sort it all out, simply viewing their > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > from outside looking in. Is wisdom simply pointing out aspects > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > another does not see or does not understand, the discernment of a > > > > > > > hidden truth within the minds of others? Remember, any idiot can > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > perceived as a genius around a group of morons. > > > > > > > I've traveled many roads since birth, travailed many hardships, > > > > > > > enjoyed countless excursions into the unknown, felt much pain and > > > > > > > anguish mentally and physically but still the journey goes on and > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > year is in no way like any preceding year, possibly the scary > > > > > > > part, > > > > > > > just look at Lee and Ling. > > > > > > > So if wisdom comes with experience and if experiences can change, > > > > > > > wisdom changes and therefore can be considered an aspect of life > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > is continually evolving. > > > > > > > And now for the real awakening about modern day wisdom. Little 10 > > > > > > > year old Billy Bushwacker joins a social group and answers > > > > > > > everyone's > > > > > > > inquiries with answers that come from Internet search engines like > > > > > > > Google and web sites like Wikipedia while receiving accolades of > > > > > > > appreciative adoration from the unsuspecting members. > > > > > > > So I would recommend to all, if you want real wisdom, make sure > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > get it in person! Unless of course you are getting from the > > > > > > > Slippy > > > > > > > Fishy Gadfly! {;-) > > > > > > > > So what is your take on this wisdom venture?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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