Let me offer the hierarchy in this context, Lee ! - Knowledge ... inclusive of the effort, focus and discipline required in the learning process, and ' sharpening ' of intelligence.
- Skills ... inclusive of learning acquired while applying knowledge, in diverse situations, through knowing how to do and what to avoid. How soon one acquires the skills ( to wisdom ) is more a matter of attitude than time or experience. What we do with our experience matters, not the experience per se. On Jul 15, 7:45 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > If wisdom can be said to be knowledge gained from experiance then it > is hard to see how a young boy can said to be wise. > > You are correct though, even the old and knowledgeble are not > nesicarily wise. I guess it also depend on wether that knowledge is > retained or used? > > On 15 July, 15:29, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 15, 6:29 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > What is wisdom? > > > Wisdom is that learning that can only come with experiance, it is the > > > type of knowledge helps with everyday ife. > > > Lee, I agree, wisdom is nothing if not helpful. But I am not sure > > about restricting its rise with experience only. I 'd agree with > > wisdom being a ' capacity ' within us that culminates with what we > > teach ourself as we grow up, as well as from what we learn from our > > experience through our coming face to face with our own self and > > others and life situations. > > > It is commonplace for us to see people with huge, long or most ' > > exceptional ' experience, but without much learning availed from it. > > As they say, one can have the same experience xeroxed any number of > > times ... leaving us none the wiser with age or experience. > > > Wisdom, as it seems, is the ability to look into the entirety and the > > detail, and what lies underneath, at the same time, yielding to the > > wise one a clear understanding of both ' what is ' and ' what will > > be.' This capacity for the latter, ' what will be ' view, is > > especially important dimension to wisdom. It leaves the ' wise ' one > > confident, trusting of oneself, and solution driven. > > > > It is the gut feeling of what should be done, what cannot be done, and > > > what is a waste of time doing. > > > Precisely. I concur. > > > > Example: > > > An old man and his grandson are waiting for a bus, it starts to rain > > > and the grandson wants to run under the shelter. The old man looks up > > > and declares not to bother boy it will be gone in five minutes. > > > One could extend such instances of ' peering into the future ' and ' > > solution in the eye ' to other domains too. > > > Lots of love, Lee. > > > > On 11 July, 16:17, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So, with all that, Slip, WHAT IS WISDOM ? What exactly are those wise > > > > old men, without education, know or are offering or are capable of ? > > > > You see them as wise. Why ? > > > > > Something clear, that we all may agree to. > > > > > On Jul 11, 7:58 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Well now that you mention it I did not and would not use the term mere > > > > > as it seem to connote a simplicity in any given field. > > > > > Technically a person who is well versed in the knowledge of the "many" > > > > > sciences "may" have wisdom but as the comment stands and which I > > > > > intended to relay was the "not necessarily", as that same person "may > > > > > not" have wisdom. > > > > > > I disagree with what is not agreeable to you pertaining to education > > > > > being key. Many of the ancients, and in our world today, existing > > > > > among indigenous tribes are those member that are considered the old > > > > > and wise, they possess the wisdom of the ways in which the culture > > > > > developed and survived. These wise among them have no education but > > > > > simply an accumulated knowledge base on which to draw upon. They have > > > > > the wisdom of the forests, the jungles, the deserts and all the > > > > > environment has to offer and more. Therefore, and again in that > > > > > sense, I don't think education plays a part. > > > > > Let me clarify that I would rather call it "learning experience" that > > > > > operates on a continuum during ones lifetime. I prefer to keep > > > > > education as denoting a formality, a schooling, else we all might > > > > > convey having a great deal of education based on life experience alone > > > > > and in which case many dummies might be highly educated, though we > > > > > know they are not. > > > > > > I think wisdom is drawn from within and from without our personal > > > > > world. I've often stated that many times I simply draw upon the > > > > > cosmos, the universal energy or whatever description is your > > > > > preference, when trying to solve a problem, fix something I know > > > > > nothing about, bring about change or try to acquire something > > > > > materially. This is part of the formation of wisdom, the part that > > > > > has nothing to do with the physical experience but is communicated to > > > > > the mind on a spiritual level. There are many Indian rituals that > > > > > require inducement to reach mental states capable of that > > > > > communicative level in which they receive unknown truths, premonitory > > > > > experiences and commune with the dead. So wisdom is not simply life's > > > > > experiences culminating into a data bank of resource. > > > > > > On Jul 11, 3:18 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > " Having knowledge of mathematics, science or business does not > > > > > > necessarily render a person as wise." > > > > > > > I found it interesting ... not the content per se, of which > > > > > > perhaps I > > > > > > am not clear, but the expression. > > > > > > > Does it read : ' Mere ' knowledge of mathematics, science or > > > > > > business > > > > > > does not render a person as wise. With the word " necessarily " > > > > > > becoming redundant, I would tend to agree with the statement. As > > > > > > originally expressed, I am not certain what it means ... now more, > > > > > > now less. > > > > > > > " In that sense I don't think that education has to play a part in > > > > > > attaining wisdom ..." > > > > > > > This, as it is, is not agreeable to my view. On the contrary, > > > > > > education is the key, even if it is self - education, which is a > > > > > > constant in the process of acquiring wisdom. > > > > > > > It is very difficult for me to speak of wisdom, as to what it is. It > > > > > > has its application on / to oneself and on / to others, in the > > > > > > recognition of wisdom when we see or know it. I am clueless about > > > > > > wherefrom, why and how, it issues. > > > > > > > I have seen and known wisdom. The dimension I most empathise with is > > > > > > the one that causes one to help oneself and others, the people about > > > > > > and around, most critically in preempting our state of feeling ' > > > > > > lost,' hopeless or inadequate. Even after, wisdom leads us from > > > > > > despair to clarity, strength, sense of purpose, and opportunity. > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 6:03 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, wisdom, the dominion of the wise, often associated with old > > > > > > > age > > > > > > > and life experience. Though I've met some young that were wise, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > was mostly specific without a broad spectrum of knowledge. > > > > > > > Perhaps > > > > > > > they were just more aware or in tune with certain aspects of life. > > > > > > > What is true wisdom? The wise old sage once said "wisdom is the > > > > > > > accumulation of knowledge", but then again what is knowledge and > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > knowledge does one have to be perceived as having wisdom? Having > > > > > > > knowledge of mathematics, science or business does not necessarily > > > > > > > render a person as wise. In that sense I don't think that > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > has to play a part in attaining wisdom and secondary to that I > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > that wisdom is subject to categorization. > > > > > > > Each person individually gathers the necessary blocks of knowledge > > > > > > > that culminates into the specific wisdom he or she can offer. The > > > > > > > wisest of people may not have a clue as to what words of wisdom > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > needed for the recovering drug addict, the alcoholic etcetera > > > > > > > etcetera > > > > > > > ecetera. > > > > > > > I have many times been thanked for my words of wisdom and each > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > thought they were just words coming from my insight into a > > > > > > > problem, > > > > > > > the ability to logically sort it all out, simply viewing their > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > from outside looking in. Is wisdom simply pointing out aspects > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > another does not see or does not understand, the discernment of a > > > > > > > hidden truth within the minds of others? Remember, any idiot can > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > perceived as a genius around a group of morons. > > > > > > > I've traveled many roads since birth, travailed many hardships, > > > > > > > enjoyed countless excursions into the unknown, felt much pain and > > > > > > > anguish mentally and physically but still the journey goes on and > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > year is in no way like any preceding year, possibly the scary > > > > > > > part, > > > > > > > just look at Lee and Ling. > > > > > > > So if wisdom comes with experience and if experiences can change, > > > > > > > wisdom changes and therefore can be considered an aspect of life > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > is continually evolving. > > > > > > > And now for the real awakening about modern day wisdom. Little 10 > > > > > > > year old Billy Bushwacker joins a social group and answers > > > > > > > everyone's > > > > > > > inquiries with answers that come from Internet search engines like > > > > > > > Google and web sites like Wikipedia while receiving accolades of > > > > > > > appreciative adoration from the unsuspecting members. > > > > > > > So I would recommend to all, if you want real wisdom, make sure > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > get it in person! Unless of course you are getting from the > > > > > > > Slippy > > > > > > > Fishy Gadfly! {;-) > > > > > > > > So what is your take on this wisdom venture?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
