And in the event that you are not able to make that decision?
On Jul 16, 10:17 am, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> It is clear to me that the only one to make the deision of wheter or
> not to die is the individual make that choice for themselves. It
> comes back to ownership. Nobody owns my soul nor my body nor my mind
> except myself that is.
>
> If I say yes kill me now, then you had better comply with my wishes,
> if I say no I'll hold on until the bitter natural end, then the same
> applies.
>
> On 16 July, 14:12, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I am appalled at our level of blame here. Currently in the US, we
> > have the ability to choose or not choose the medical model. No one is
> > forcing us to go to the doctor. Also, Hospice care is available to
> > everyone and free to Medicare recipients. The Hospice protocol is to
> > get rid of the meds and patients often see a rebound in health
> > afterward. It does not stop the end from coming. Trust in families
> > is an age old problem and I suppose, begins with us. We spend a life
> > time developing our relationships, and if they are not based on trust,
> > what can we expect in the end? Often, those left with all of the work
> > and responsibility of caring for the aged and dying in their families
> > are blamed for a reduction of assets. Not sure what they expect it to
> > cost. Because we never really know when the end is near, how do we
> > make the call about selling a home etc,.? More often than not, the
> > bickering about assets of the deceased is sour grapes.
>
> > In the end, I think that if we have led a life of dignity, our death
> > with dignity will follow. This is not always the case for reasons
> > unexplained. Can we have faith our death is what we need it to be, no
> > matter how it appears outwardly? I think the issue of paid suicide is
> > much more complicated than the abortion issue, where the mother is the
> > decision maker and has rights in that she is pregnant and will
> > deliver. Alzheimer's patients would not have the cognitive ability to
> > make the decision to suicide. Should someone have the right to make
> > that for them? How about people with cognative disabilities? Should
> > we only keep them around if someone can afford to pay for their care?
>
> > On Jul 16, 8:48 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Highly possible that Kevorkian presented a threat to the medical and
> > > more so the giant pharmaceutical industry. They would probably topple
> > > if terminally ill and elderly people decided to check out and skip the
> > > med bandwagon. It goes to show "again" how much power corporate
> > > lobbyists have on government, it's like a choke collar on a pit bull
> > > and as usually the people are the puppets and pawns in the money
> > > making game. The one drug that people can grow in their yards of
> > > course is illegal, they can't allow self medication that doesn't bring
> > > in revenue.
>
> > > On Jul 16, 5:47 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > There comes a point of no return but do not think my mother ever
> > > > considered suicide to end her suffering. Strong willed, was she.//Your
> > > > post was interesting- perhaps Kevorkian was a threat to the medical
> > > > profession and the lucrative nursing home industry- plus the attendant
> > > > bureaucracies of the courts and social services. There is a case in my
> > > > local news where the daughter embezzled her mother's fortune via power
> > > > of attorney which is shameful- so family isn't always the answer,
> > > > either- neither are shady court appointed guardians.//This whole
> > > > business is going to get interesting as Social Security peters out and
> > > > the government must decide/ration health care costs- they could kill
> > > > one old bird with two stones.// What these new approaches may hasten
> > > > is a vigorous objection from active, healthy seniors who refuse to
> > > > submit to ageism and elder abuse and treasure their final years on
> > > > their own terms because they can and have earned the right to them.
> > > > Our society is youth oriented so it won't be easy. I find myself
> > > > looking at the images of middle aged to senior men and women and find
> > > > they are often stereotyped which is ridiculous and insulting. On the
> > > > other hand, you have Gloria Vanderbilt's new book "Obsession" which is
> > > > her Marquis de Sade experiment in elder-lust- she is 85! lol Poor
> > > > little Gloria- smutty at last!
>
> > > > On Jul 16, 1:07 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > We put our pets down when they are no longer able to walk and function
> > > > > in their old age but we insanely subject ourselves to the aches of
> > > > > aging, the bed sores and agonizing pain that haunt our every conscious
> > > > > minute. I never did understand the Kevorkian problem, it's not like
> > > > > the people did not want to check out. I would think that early
> > > > > religious ideals embedded within the fabric of the country still have
> > > > > a grip on the acceptability of suicide, notions of good and bad forced
> > > > > upon the people regardless of their personal beliefs. As you pointed
> > > > > out, the idea that abortion is a acceptable practice is dumbfounding,
> > > > > where does the choice of life or death lie in that? It is all about
> > > > > political ownership of life. We develop lousy governments to boss us
> > > > > around.
>
> > > > > On Jul 15, 2:29 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/15/world/europe/15britain.html
>
> > > > > > With a swoon of Prokofiev! Read the reader comments as well as
> > > > > > Americans may be waking up to the fraud that is end of life care
> > > > > > and a
> > > > > > national disgrace.- Hide quoted text -
>
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