If I say "wisdom" has been more often feigned than not Vam it's not really fair to say 'that's not wisdom'. This said, I broadly agree we have the chance to create a wise society, but the wide evidence, for me, is that we are failing rather than succeeding. I might, just at the moment think life is sweet. We seem to have the Aussies on the rack at Lords - even sweeter that it is raining up here in Manchester! There is only little solace in this when one is aware of much nastier things going on all over, a point Slip made earlier. Plato was obviously concerned that his wise Guardians needed to protect their wisdom through a way of being in the world that did not corrupt it - his communistic scheme to take them out of 'temptation'. Like Orn, I believe there is a necessary introspective path (or set of them) needed to distinguish wisdom from deceptions - there is something religious in this; but the aim of this cannot be to establish the network of a world-view impenetrable to review under evidence through charismatic smugness (no 'accusations' against Orn here - quite the opposite). I've found it almost impossible not to be patronising as a teacher - in the face of much ignorance one's patience does collapse - and have tried to be honest when catching myself out in such process. In argument, the argument itself is supposed to come under review not become the rhetorical frame for the establishment of the wise man or woman - the typical cheap posture of our civil servant briefed politicians. Wherever wisdom lies, my guess is that it is a powerfully collective and cooperative force if we can understand to share it rather than submit it to personal use (abuse?). Perhaps I worry about its use by hidden interests along the lines of 'a little knowledge is dangerous'. One can say much the same about charismatic leadership and introspective techniques. Whilst one might consider Einstein or Ghandi as wise individuals, even they were part of much wider movements and the tendency in history is to create these great figures rather than establish the fuller terrain of historical context. Very few, even today, can do much more than bleat E = MC2, rather than understand the hard work of establishing molecular size and using imagination involved in relativity, or say much about the conditions in the Sub-Continent which Ghandi exploited with great, but limited success. Worse and wider, we have elevated the "successes" of the West without much evaluation, know we are dooming the planet through excess and confusions about success, but do not seem to be able to to work out that we don't need the "great individuals" who flaunt themselves in front of us with demonstrations of wealth. I suspect we are missing something about the role of emotions in all this and the number of times we have to be hit on the head with the training brick before we "understand". We allow a few individuals far too much, whether in wealth or envy and fear of their brilliance. Wisdom would change this if we understood more about doubt and what we could collectively establish as fact.
On 16 July, 19:28, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Often I wonder about the ‘wisdom’ expressed by the masses today who > apparently reside in biblical ecstasy. I have visited similar > ‘charismatics’ and such, to me, bizarre behavior is accepted as the > norm by many. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6KGZ4UQjgc&feature=popular > > On Jul 16, 6:15 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In biblical terms, wisdom is the revelation of God in man. In > > contemporary terms, it would be the revelation of absolute truth. A > > wise person, therefore, would be transrational, or able to express the > > absolute truth in rational terms. > > > On Jul 15, 1:37 pm, Arron <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I would have to say wisdom is the thing (hopefully) that follows > > > knowledge and understaning - To me it is the ability to act on the > > > knowledge and understanding of the world around you and inside you. I > > > use the word 'act' in an idealistic way - personally I would hope that > > > any act of wisdom would bring not only positive benifit to the acter, > > > but also to others - Wisdom, like many things in this world fall into > > > the realm of how one precives it - I say to you 'that was wise', you > > > say to me 'no it was just common sense'. > > > > Maybe, just maybe - true wisdom is the abitlity to take knowledge and > > > understanding and use them in productive manner to better the world - > > > But that leave us with the question; who's 'better' is the right one? > > > > On Jul 11, 10:03 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes, wisdom, the dominion of the wise, often associated with old age > > > > and life experience. Though I've met some young that were wise, it > > > > was mostly specific without a broad spectrum of knowledge. Perhaps > > > > they were just more aware or in tune with certain aspects of life. > > > > What is true wisdom? The wise old sage once said "wisdom is the > > > > accumulation of knowledge", but then again what is knowledge and what > > > > knowledge does one have to be perceived as having wisdom? Having > > > > knowledge of mathematics, science or business does not necessarily > > > > render a person as wise. In that sense I don't think that education > > > > has to play a part in attaining wisdom and secondary to that I think > > > > that wisdom is subject to categorization. > > > > Each person individually gathers the necessary blocks of knowledge > > > > that culminates into the specific wisdom he or she can offer. The > > > > wisest of people may not have a clue as to what words of wisdom are > > > > needed for the recovering drug addict, the alcoholic etcetera etcetera > > > > ecetera. > > > > I have many times been thanked for my words of wisdom and each time > > > > thought they were just words coming from my insight into a problem, > > > > the ability to logically sort it all out, simply viewing their world > > > > from outside looking in. Is wisdom simply pointing out aspects that > > > > another does not see or does not understand, the discernment of a > > > > hidden truth within the minds of others? Remember, any idiot can be > > > > perceived as a genius around a group of morons. > > > > I've traveled many roads since birth, travailed many hardships, > > > > enjoyed countless excursions into the unknown, felt much pain and > > > > anguish mentally and physically but still the journey goes on and each > > > > year is in no way like any preceding year, possibly the scary part, > > > > just look at Lee and Ling. > > > > So if wisdom comes with experience and if experiences can change, > > > > wisdom changes and therefore can be considered an aspect of life that > > > > is continually evolving. > > > > And now for the real awakening about modern day wisdom. Little 10 > > > > year old Billy Bushwacker joins a social group and answers everyone's > > > > inquiries with answers that come from Internet search engines like > > > > Google and web sites like Wikipedia while receiving accolades of > > > > appreciative adoration from the unsuspecting members. > > > > So I would recommend to all, if you want real wisdom, make sure you > > > > get it in person! Unless of course you are getting from the Slippy > > > > Fishy Gadfly! {;-) > > > > > So what is your take on this wisdom venture?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
