Don and Neil ! My unconditional apology for the unmerited harshness in my post, even for its untimeliness and being out of context. I seem to have been touched on the raw. My apologies, once again.
On Jul 15, 1:38 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > Vam, Arch's comment was a riff on a post I made about hanging > monkey's(joke) in another thread. As for tradition, it is important > and comforting, but there is also the aspect to it that becomes > ridiculous and/or unnecessary. Like the woman when asked why she > cuts the turkey a certain way before cooking says that's how Momma > always did it. When Nana is asked she says, "Oh, we had to do it that > way to make it fit in the oven." We are doing much the same thing now > with the Maynard Keynes way of spending ourselves out of debt. > Because that's how it's always been done(since the Depression). Never > mind how much of a failure it was with Japan in the 90's and is > currently failing the U.S. now. That is the tradition Arch is talking > about. IMO. Humans can be foolish and stubborn. > > dj > > > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Vamadevananda<[email protected]> wrote: > > > I find it extremely infantile, Neil, nay, outright moronic, when you > > rail against tradition ! > > > I know, when I say, that the freedom and fundamental rights we have > > and see today is a result of a long line of souls who 've tended to > > those values for their entire lives, in their hearts and minds, down > > the course of history, at much cost to their selves, even life / > > lives. Jesus was one such, notwithanding Paul and centuries of > > Christianity and Church ' tradition ' that since followed. There is > > none greater than Jesus, who esposed the golden rule ... do unto > > others ... .... at a time when it was not even appreciated by most, > > especially the powerful, at the4 cost of his own life. Much of our > > laws today are actually derived from that mother rule. > > > I laugh at puny minds and hearts such as we are, who complain of this > > and that now, in the comfortable confines of our secure homes and > > under the guaranteed protection of law none can go against today. That > > security and that protection has been won at great cost, after much > > tears and loss of blood, by people no longer remembered in our > > tradition ... because, they lost then ... and, we all know, that > > history is written by the victors. > > > You want more ... more freedom, more rights, more justice ... go > > ahead. You're welcome. And, godspeed. But, for the sake of all of us, > > please do not make a hero or martyr of yourself, when you are not. Not > > yet, at least. > > > And, in the process of raising ourself, in that cause, we have no > > business forgetting our roots, much less disowning them. They, the > > forgotten, are the gods we'd do well to remember, while proceeding > > with our tasks today. > > > No offense meant. Apologies nevertheless, for any hurt caused. > > > On Jul 14, 5:43 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It was a chimpanzee thought to be a French spy in Hartlepool Don. You > >> colonials were, of course, still hanging horses until quite recently. > >> Witches were also hung rather than burned, despite rumours to the > >> contrary in horror films. Our collective traditional wisdom knows no > >> bounds! > > >> On 14 July, 00:18, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > > >> > My views about wisdom: > >> > Wisdom is the mental capacity of a wise person, whom when confronted > >> > with a problem is able to solve it better then the average person. > >> > His/her wisdom is usually an accumulated knowledge of all those events > >> > that this person has lived during his/her life; therefore this wise > >> > person is capable somehow of using this accumulated knowledge, and > >> > when a problem arises he/she would be able to solve it better than the > >> > others. > >> > I don’t know exactly why one wise person becomes wiser than somebody > >> > else, even though they might have lived most of the same events > >> > together, so, I guess that some people are better able to assimilate > >> > their knowledge, perhaps by storing the knowledge at the highest level > >> > in their own mind, so, when the need arises they are able to use this > >> > accumulated knowledge. > >> > Since wisdom (accumulated knowledge) may be stored at one level higher > >> > that just what we call reason, it may seem and feel like a sixth sense > >> > to the wise man that has it. So, I would say that the wise man would > >> > use reasoning just to back up his wisdom. > >> > There is also a small possibility that the wise person may be able to > >> > tune into the cosmos, which is thought that it may be able to store > >> > the entire accumulated knowledge of everything just like God, this > >> > thought of course gives rise to this question. > >> > Is the cosmos an integral part of God of the universe? Well it may be > >> > part of God. > >> > But here we are talking about wisdom and not God. So the definition of > >> > wisdom and where it comes from remains a mystery to me also. > >> > These are my personal views about Wisdom. > >> > My regards to Slip and members of the group > >> > Manfraco. > > >> > On Jul 11, 11:03 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > Yes, wisdom, the dominion of the wise, often associated with old age > >> > > and life experience. Though I've met some young that were wise, it > >> > > was mostly specific without a broad spectrum of knowledge. Perhaps > >> > > they were just more aware or in tune with certain aspects of life. > >> > > What is true wisdom? The wise old sage once said "wisdom is the > >> > > accumulation of knowledge", but then again what is knowledge and what > >> > > knowledge does one have to be perceived as having wisdom? Having > >> > > knowledge of mathematics, science or business does not necessarily > >> > > render a person as wise. In that sense I don't think that education > >> > > has to play a part in attaining wisdom and secondary to that I think > >> > > that wisdom is subject to categorization. > >> > > Each person individually gathers the necessary blocks of knowledge > >> > > that culminates into the specific wisdom he or she can offer. The > >> > > wisest of people may not have a clue as to what words of wisdom are > >> > > needed for the recovering drug addict, the alcoholic etcetera etcetera > >> > > ecetera. > >> > > I have many times been thanked for my words of wisdom and each time > >> > > thought they were just words coming from my insight into a problem, > >> > > the ability to logically sort it all out, simply viewing their world > >> > > from outside looking in. Is wisdom simply pointing out aspects that > >> > > another does not see or does not understand, the discernment of a > >> > > hidden truth within the minds of others? Remember, any idiot can be > >> > > perceived as a genius around a group of morons. > >> > > I've traveled many roads since birth, travailed many hardships, > >> > > enjoyed countless excursions into the unknown, felt much pain and > >> > > anguish mentally and physically but still the journey goes on and each > >> > > year is in no way like any preceding year, possibly the scary part, > >> > > just look at Lee and Ling. > >> > > So if wisdom comes with experience and if experiences can change, > >> > > wisdom changes and therefore can be considered an aspect of life that > >> > > is continually evolving. > >> > > And now for the real awakening about modern day wisdom. Little 10 > >> > > year old Billy Bushwacker joins a social group and answers everyone's > >> > > inquiries with answers that come from Internet search engines like > >> > > Google and web sites like Wikipedia while receiving accolades of > >> > > appreciative adoration from the unsuspecting members. > >> > > So I would recommend to all, if you want real wisdom, make sure you > >> > > get it in person! Unless of course you are getting from the Slippy > >> > > Fishy Gadfly! {;-) > > >> > > So what is your take on this wisdom venture?- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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