I see wisdom there...
On Jul 14, 10:18 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
> Don and Neil !
>
> My unconditional apology for the unmerited harshness in my post, even
> for its untimeliness and being out of context. I seem to have been
> touched on the raw. My apologies, once again.
>
> On Jul 15, 1:38 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Vam, Arch's comment was a riff on a post I made about hanging
> > monkey's(joke) in another thread. As for tradition, it is important
> > and comforting, but there is also the aspect to it that becomes
> > ridiculous and/or unnecessary. Like the woman when asked why she
> > cuts the turkey a certain way before cooking says that's how Momma
> > always did it. When Nana is asked she says, "Oh, we had to do it that
> > way to make it fit in the oven." We are doing much the same thing now
> > with the Maynard Keynes way of spending ourselves out of debt.
> > Because that's how it's always been done(since the Depression). Never
> > mind how much of a failure it was with Japan in the 90's and is
> > currently failing the U.S. now. That is the tradition Arch is talking
> > about. IMO. Humans can be foolish and stubborn.
>
> > dj
>
> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Vamadevananda<[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > I find it extremely infantile, Neil, nay, outright moronic, when you
> > > rail against tradition !
>
> > > I know, when I say, that the freedom and fundamental rights we have
> > > and see today is a result of a long line of souls who 've tended to
> > > those values for their entire lives, in their hearts and minds, down
> > > the course of history, at much cost to their selves, even life /
> > > lives. Jesus was one such, notwithanding Paul and centuries of
> > > Christianity and Church ' tradition ' that since followed. There is
> > > none greater than Jesus, who esposed the golden rule ... do unto
> > > others ... .... at a time when it was not even appreciated by most,
> > > especially the powerful, at the4 cost of his own life. Much of our
> > > laws today are actually derived from that mother rule.
>
> > > I laugh at puny minds and hearts such as we are, who complain of this
> > > and that now, in the comfortable confines of our secure homes and
> > > under the guaranteed protection of law none can go against today. That
> > > security and that protection has been won at great cost, after much
> > > tears and loss of blood, by people no longer remembered in our
> > > tradition ... because, they lost then ... and, we all know, that
> > > history is written by the victors.
>
> > > You want more ... more freedom, more rights, more justice ... go
> > > ahead. You're welcome. And, godspeed. But, for the sake of all of us,
> > > please do not make a hero or martyr of yourself, when you are not. Not
> > > yet, at least.
>
> > > And, in the process of raising ourself, in that cause, we have no
> > > business forgetting our roots, much less disowning them. They, the
> > > forgotten, are the gods we'd do well to remember, while proceeding
> > > with our tasks today.
>
> > > No offense meant. Apologies nevertheless, for any hurt caused.
>
> > > On Jul 14, 5:43 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> It was a chimpanzee thought to be a French spy in Hartlepool Don. You
> > >> colonials were, of course, still hanging horses until quite recently.
> > >> Witches were also hung rather than burned, despite rumours to the
> > >> contrary in horror films. Our collective traditional wisdom knows no
> > >> bounds!
>
> > >> On 14 July, 00:18, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> > My views about wisdom:
> > >> > Wisdom is the mental capacity of a wise person, whom when confronted
> > >> > with a problem is able to solve it better then the average person.
> > >> > His/her wisdom is usually an accumulated knowledge of all those events
> > >> > that this person has lived during his/her life; therefore this wise
> > >> > person is capable somehow of using this accumulated knowledge, and
> > >> > when a problem arises he/she would be able to solve it better than the
> > >> > others.
> > >> > I don’t know exactly why one wise person becomes wiser than somebody
> > >> > else, even though they might have lived most of the same events
> > >> > together, so, I guess that some people are better able to assimilate
> > >> > their knowledge, perhaps by storing the knowledge at the highest level
> > >> > in their own mind, so, when the need arises they are able to use this
> > >> > accumulated knowledge.
> > >> > Since wisdom (accumulated knowledge) may be stored at one level higher
> > >> > that just what we call reason, it may seem and feel like a sixth sense
> > >> > to the wise man that has it. So, I would say that the wise man would
> > >> > use reasoning just to back up his wisdom.
> > >> > There is also a small possibility that the wise person may be able to
> > >> > tune into the cosmos, which is thought that it may be able to store
> > >> > the entire accumulated knowledge of everything just like God, this
> > >> > thought of course gives rise to this question.
> > >> > Is the cosmos an integral part of God of the universe? Well it may be
> > >> > part of God.
> > >> > But here we are talking about wisdom and not God. So the definition of
> > >> > wisdom and where it comes from remains a mystery to me also.
> > >> > These are my personal views about Wisdom.
> > >> > My regards to Slip and members of the group
> > >> > Manfraco.
>
> > >> > On Jul 11, 11:03 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> > > Yes, wisdom, the dominion of the wise, often associated with old age
> > >> > > and life experience. Though I've met some young that were wise, it
> > >> > > was mostly specific without a broad spectrum of knowledge. Perhaps
> > >> > > they were just more aware or in tune with certain aspects of life.
> > >> > > What is true wisdom? The wise old sage once said "wisdom is the
> > >> > > accumulation of knowledge", but then again what is knowledge and what
> > >> > > knowledge does one have to be perceived as having wisdom? Having
> > >> > > knowledge of mathematics, science or business does not necessarily
> > >> > > render a person as wise. In that sense I don't think that education
> > >> > > has to play a part in attaining wisdom and secondary to that I think
> > >> > > that wisdom is subject to categorization.
> > >> > > Each person individually gathers the necessary blocks of knowledge
> > >> > > that culminates into the specific wisdom he or she can offer. The
> > >> > > wisest of people may not have a clue as to what words of wisdom are
> > >> > > needed for the recovering drug addict, the alcoholic etcetera
> > >> > > etcetera
> > >> > > ecetera.
> > >> > > I have many times been thanked for my words of wisdom and each time
> > >> > > thought they were just words coming from my insight into a problem,
> > >> > > the ability to logically sort it all out, simply viewing their world
> > >> > > from outside looking in. Is wisdom simply pointing out aspects that
> > >> > > another does not see or does not understand, the discernment of a
> > >> > > hidden truth within the minds of others? Remember, any idiot can be
> > >> > > perceived as a genius around a group of morons.
> > >> > > I've traveled many roads since birth, travailed many hardships,
> > >> > > enjoyed countless excursions into the unknown, felt much pain and
> > >> > > anguish mentally and physically but still the journey goes on and
> > >> > > each
> > >> > > year is in no way like any preceding year, possibly the scary part,
> > >> > > just look at Lee and Ling.
> > >> > > So if wisdom comes with experience and if experiences can change,
> > >> > > wisdom changes and therefore can be considered an aspect of life that
> > >> > > is continually evolving.
> > >> > > And now for the real awakening about modern day wisdom. Little 10
> > >> > > year old Billy Bushwacker joins a social group and answers everyone's
> > >> > > inquiries with answers that come from Internet search engines like
> > >> > > Google and web sites like Wikipedia while receiving accolades of
> > >> > > appreciative adoration from the unsuspecting members.
> > >> > > So I would recommend to all, if you want real wisdom, make sure you
> > >> > > get it in person! Unless of course you are getting from the Slippy
> > >> > > Fishy Gadfly! {;-)
>
> > >> > > So what is your take on this wisdom venture?- Hide quoted text -
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