Oh yes, Molly, a truly marvellous book ... !

Francis

On 20 Jul., 16:19, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
> I very much like your analogy, Vam.  My current summer read is The
> Years of Rice and Salt by Kim Stanley Robinson, and I am really
> enjoying it.  It is a well written story that tracks the lives of a
> group of souls as they incarnate life after life and face bardo in
> between.  It has much to say about religions and their possible
> synergy.  You might find it interesting.
>
> On Jul 18, 2:29 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > " Do you think that it is possible these days to find a way and
> > reconcile all sorts of religions?
> > " Or do you think that it is not possible to achieve?"
>
> > These are great questions, Man !  I 'll share my answer ...
>
> > 01  It is possible to achieve a reconciliation all religions ...  but
> > not in the manner of making the ' nuts and bolts ' identical, as
> > practises and beliefs instituted in the respective religions.
>
> > 02  The reconciliation I speak of is of the nature of
> > transcendence ...   of attaining the summum bono of one's own
> > particular religion and outgrowing its instituted structure, practises
> > and beliefs.
>
> > To give an analogy, untill the destination is reached, we keep to the
> > path, to its directions, speak of its ups and downs, think of what it
> > entails, judge the experiences, alternate between doubt and trust of
> > the beliefs it demands, discuss the apparent meanings and
> > meaninglessness, and so on. That's religion for us.
>
> > But, when the destination is reached, we no longer speak of the path,
> > of all that was in it, of all that it involved. We are then free of
> > all that, all that was before. We are then consumed with, by, what is
> > at and in the ' destination.'  In truth, the destination has nothing
> > to do with the path. The path was ours, because of where we were.
>
> > We climb up the ladder and reach the roof. Standing on the roof,
> > viewing the sight it offers, we no longer speak of the ' ladder !'
>
> > For whatever it is worth.
>
> > On Jul 18, 10:26 am, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Hi to all Minds Eye members:
>
> > > I have read most of your religious discussions in this post and I
> > > agree with most of them, but, as we all have a degree of belief, or of
> > > non belief that usually differ from one another, we all express
> > > ourselves in a different way, so I would like to have my say on
> > > religious matter if you don’t mind.
> > > For me religion is changing too slowly compared to the changes that
> > > have occurred in human civilization especially during last century.
> > > Broadly speaking I believe that if religious leaders don’t think of
> > > adjusting with the times they are going to see themselves redundant
> > > soon, or at least decimated, because there will be a lot of people
> > > that are going to ask questions, because nowadays religions as they
> > > are, most times don’t stand up to intelligent scrutiny, and therefore,
> > > intelligent people are going to question that.
> > > As a believer, I wish that God would guide the religious leaders to
> > > fix this problem.
> > > Or if there is really a God who is looking at us and wants to help us,
> > > let him send someone capable of changing things and able to reconcile
> > > the existing religious ways with the future ways.
> > > Perhaps there may already be somebody among us that is capable to do
> > > just that; but so far we have not seen any signs of him. While I am
> > > looking for these signs, I would like to ask any of you these
> > > questions:
> > > Do you think that it is possible these days to find a way and
> > > reconcile all sorts of religions?
> > > Or do you think that it is not possible to achieve?
> > > Waiting to hear from anyone of you what do you think about this wish
> > > of mine?
>
> > > I send you my regards to you all,
> > > Manfraco
>
> > > On Jul 17, 8:16 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Well I have to disagree Tink.  For soooo many years that I can't count
> > > > the Christian church has denied any rights to woman who want to become
> > > > preists, stateing that all of Jesuses disciples where men, and thus
> > > > the lord must have meant for men only to be preists.  That is now no
> > > > longer valid for one Christian demonination.  This is far more than a
> > > > cosmetic change, it is a change of dogma after thousdands of years.
>
> > > > Now-days I also personaly know at least two gay priests, and openly
> > > > gay at that.  How long before the church sanctions gay marriages I
> > > > wonder?
>
> > > > I have been a beliver for all of my adult life and I have seen much
> > > > change in religon during this time.  In fact just today I read that
> > > > Pagan Police have been given the go ahead for their own Pagan Police
> > > > federation.
>
> > > > On 16 July, 23:40, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > That's just a cosmetic change. The base ideas of the religion still
> > > > > teach the same thing, the rule of the religion still dictates what is
> > > > > right at the bottom line in the decision making process.
>
> > > > > peace & Love
>
> > > > > On Jul 16, 4:49 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > Well we have already shown that it does in fact change.  Look at
> > > > > > female ordained preists for example.
>
> > > > > > On 16 July, 02:55, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Personally, I think religion is the doom of Society, because it
> > > > > > > doesn't change.
>
> > > > > > > peace & Love
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 15, 5:28 am, "[email protected]" 
> > > > > > > <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > That's the problem with religous dogma, too hard and unbending.
> > > > > > > > Religion must change as society does or it is doomed.
>
> > > > > > > > On 11 July, 03:18, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > All religious dogmas aim at reducing human faults. When they 
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > carried beyond the time and place they were developed for, 
> > > > > > > > > they begin
> > > > > > > > > to cause problems.
>
> > > > > > > > > peace & love
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 5:32 am, alexandra laughton 
> > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > >  Sure bible has it's faults but it just aims at reducing 
> > > > > > > > > > human ones.
> > > > > > > > > > human mind has not progressed enough to support the 
> > > > > > > > > > developments &
> > > > > > > > > > inventions around it.H
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